From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Very interesting analysis of "the state of Emacs" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:19:31 -0700 Message-ID: <481693C3.70901@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209436664 29723 80.91.229.12 (29 Apr 2008 02:37:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:37:44 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 29 04:38:20 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JqfjY-00009i-1Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:38:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39392 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jqfir-0001UC-A9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:37:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jqfin-0001Tx-HJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:37:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jqfik-0001Tl-Q9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:37:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60719 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jqfik-0001Ti-K0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:37:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.42inc.com ([205.149.0.25]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (SSL 3.0:RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jqfik-0000UM-KI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:37:30 -0400 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.5 X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter-42inc: Scanned X-42-Virus-Scanned: by 42 Antivirus -- Found to be clean. Original-Received: from [69.236.114.9] (account lord@emf.net HELO [192.168.1.64]) by mail.42inc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 29297943; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:37:16 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96112 Archived-At: Emacs developers might find value in reading this analysis by Steve Yegge: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/04/xemacs-is-dead-long-live-xemacs.html It is not only about XEmacs but considers some interesting comparisons between Emacs and the IDEs that Emacs is currently thinking of "catching up" to. It calls into question, hopefully in a useful way, what "catching up" might mean. -t