From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Being constructive [Was: Nit-picking] Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:14:03 +0100 Message-ID: <4800C3AB.8020409@gnu.org> References: <003801c89a85$fcd95ad0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <008d01c89b26$8aacebb0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080412093559.GC1781@muc.de> <20080412114611.GE1781@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208009681 28344 80.91.229.12 (12 Apr 2008 14:14:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 12 16:15:14 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JkgVd-00047T-Ph for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:15:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JkgUz-00064E-KI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:14:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JkgUv-00063L-HY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:14:29 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JkgUt-000638-HH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:14:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JkgUt-000631-Bj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:14:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JkgUm-0006Nt-UV; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:14:21 -0400 Original-X-Trace: 57693836/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/83.67.23.108 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 83.67.23.108 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: jasonr@gnu.org X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhQFAEtgAEhTQxds/2dsb2JhbACBXakK X-IP-Direction: IN Original-Received: from i-83-67-23-108.freedom2surf.net (HELO wanchan.jasonrumney.net) ([83.67.23.108]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 12 Apr 2008 15:14:20 +0100 Original-Received: from [192.168.249.27] (chiko.jasonrumney.net [192.168.249.27]) by wanchan.jasonrumney.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C974A1C8; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:14:23 +0100 (BST) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=8086879D X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95053 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Continuing and perhaps even finishing my bidi display code has been a > pipe dream for several years now, so it's probably not even worth > mentioning. > A smaller task might be to make use of the functionality of libotf/m17n and uniscribe (and any Mac equivalent) to provide bidi support on those platforms which offer underlying support. It will only be as good as the support offered by the underlying platform, only available in GUI frames, and even then only if Emacs is compiled against those libraries, but it is better than the current state of no bidi support at all. If work is started now, I think we can get this in to Emacs 23. I don't know how far emacs-bidi is from completion, but I'm guessing it will be at least Emacs 24 material?