From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Finding the dump Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:13:11 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <47a6df84-35b1-a85c-44be-5cec033e9255@cs.ucla.edu> References: <83munr8jb1.fsf@gnu.org> <838szb8ey9.fsf@gnu.org> <83d0oj62bc.fsf@gnu.org> <87ef8z4g1m.fsf@igel.home> <838sz75u7p.fsf@gnu.org> <877eer4e4x.fsf@igel.home> <835zub5p3i.fsf@gnu.org> <8736pf408v.fsf@igel.home> <83womq3z5c.fsf@gnu.org> <871s4yxfvb.fsf@igel.home> <83o9823xcq.fsf@gnu.org> <87womqvyy4.fsf@igel.home> <4f30b2b598e71d2c6ad766a3da8e4a33.squirrel@dancol.org> <87o982vszn.fsf@igel.home> <87k1ipx3jq.fsf@igel.home> <87bm41wzmv.fsf@igel.home> <837eep4fkj.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="264794"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, dancol@dancol.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 28 05:13:40 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gnyIk-0016mT-V9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2019 05:13:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53700 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gnyIj-0007cd-Vh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 23:13:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35379) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gnyIc-0007bg-Jr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 23:13:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gnyIX-0003mC-4m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 23:13:30 -0500 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:43580) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gnyIN-0003i5-2v; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 23:13:15 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6031A1611E2; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:13:12 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id RAnbbUG35563; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:13:11 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951401611B8; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:13:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id GwDjaJmqcWLY; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:13:11 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (cpe-23-242-74-103.socal.res.rr.com [23.242.74.103]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62977161167; Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:13:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <837eep4fkj.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:232750 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> I plan to look >> into the possibility of putting the dump file inside the executable (portably, >> of course) so that Emacs startup needn't worry about finding the dump file. This >> would be significantly better for installers and users. > I very much doubt that you could do that portably, let alone allow > repeated dumping after the initial one. For repeated dumping without a C compiler present, we'd need to stick to something like the current approach. But hardly anybody needs repeated dumping, and those who do typically have a C compiler available, so the approach that I'm thinking of should work for the vast majority of real-world cases. > I really don't see why we should waste our energy on making the Emacs > package one file less (out of 3000 it already has). This particular file is a bigger deal than the rest because Emacs cannot run without it. Emacs can run without all those other 3000 files. > It certainly isn't a "hassle". It's already been a hassle for us, as seen in this thread. It will be a hassle for installers and maintainers too. The separate file also slows down startup compared to the approach I have in mind. But you're the maintainer, so if you are opposed to the idea I'll drop it.