From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; M-( and M-) should not be bound in ESC map Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:03:20 -0700 Message-ID: <47FEF118.5010803@emf.net> References: <003801c89a85$fcd95ad0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080410154940.GB7700@muc.de> <20080410162459.GC7700@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207887791 13182 80.91.229.12 (11 Apr 2008 04:23:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 11 06:23:43 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JkAnd-0005tD-RT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:23:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JkAn0-0005dN-0X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:23:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JkAmv-0005cj-LE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:22:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JkAmt-0005ay-9d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:22:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JkAmt-0005af-0w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:22:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JkAmt-0001Lb-Dj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:22:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JkAms-0005jI-Ij for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:22:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JkAmq-0001LD-Rc for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:22:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.42inc.com ([205.149.0.25]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (SSL 3.0:RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JkAml-0001Je-B9; Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:22:47 -0400 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.5 X-TFF-CGPSA-Filter-42inc: Scanned X-42-Virus-Scanned: by 42 Antivirus -- Found to be clean. Original-Received: from [69.236.65.64] (account lord@emf.net HELO [192.168.1.64]) by mail.42inc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 27776286; Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:22:25 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060808) In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94939 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:21971 Archived-At: Glenn Morris wrote: > I don't like the "poisonous people" tag, but the following has some > valid points: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/conferences/blog/2006/07/oscon_how_open_source_projects.html > > The premise for their talk was: Attention and focus are your > scarce resources and you need to protect them. Poisonous people > tend to distract communities and scatter the attention and focus > of the people who should continue developing new features or > fixing bugs. Communities must avoid deadlock by not letting people > derail forward progress. For instance, people in the community can > ask endless questions or focus on perfection (in a design or > feature set) and bogart the attention of developers. > > > People use that rubbish as a tool of oppression. It isn't the right approach. Don't objectify others in such ways, please. Every case is different. You can not polarize the population that way and then make up rule for how to treat those who you consider to be inferior. If you are doing something in public and the rest of the public is making it difficult, then maybe the problem lies with you. Meanwhile, that stuff from O'Reilly is mostly about how to manage a commercially sponsored "open source" project in such a way as to maximize your ability to extract gratis labor from the "community". -t