From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:40:07 +0200 Message-ID: <47F18467.5020802@gmail.com> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324200911.GA1310@muc.de> <001e01c88dee$34267e90$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080324210229.GB1310@muc.de> <47F128AA.6000905@emf.net> <87y77ybf3x.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207010472 12226 80.91.229.12 (1 Apr 2008 00:41:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Thomas Lord , M Jared Finder , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Kim F. Storm" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 01 02:41:43 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JgUZC-0003Mg-Jk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:41:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgUYa-0007iz-LL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:40:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgUYX-0007ia-61 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:40:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgUYV-0007iF-QL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:40:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgUYV-0007iC-Kn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgUYR-000540-Sv; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:40:48 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-150-27.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.150.27]:64387 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JgUYI-0002aI-4C; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:40:39 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <87y77ybf3x.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080331-0, 2008-03-31), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.150.27 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JgUYI-0002aI-4C. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1JgUYI-0002aI-4C 15bb6c23253d3f1017717e67bb34a506 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94078 Archived-At: Kim F. Storm wrote: > In practice, it fits very well, but I have no problem with it being > an option which you have to turn on explicitly. But it would be > nice to mention it on the splash screen. > > Also, if shift-select is implemented as default, I think many users > will be utterly confused if C-x doesn't do cut and C-c doesn't copy. > > So all-in-all I really don't see why everybody is making a lot of > fuzz over making shift-select a 1st class emacs feature -- when > we could just as well just leave it to CUA mode to DTRT, but possibly > make a few enhancements to basic Emacs functionalities to assist CUA > mode to do its work. > > But once again, I know this is a lost battle... I agree, but in the long term it is not a lost battle (unless Emacs does not survive of course).