From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: FW: Minibuf menu when minibuffer is standalone Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:05:21 +0100 Message-ID: <47D70221.40309@gmail.com> References: <001001c883ab$528a70f0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> <47D6FC28.2090306@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205273200 2239 80.91.229.12 (11 Mar 2008 22:06:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , 'Emacs-Devel' To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 11 23:07:05 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JZCc0-000552-Gp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:06:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZCbS-00076Q-58 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZCbM-000737-TV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZCbJ-00071B-22 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZCbI-000718-Vl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:37 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JZCbI-00025P-CW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:05:36 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:60415 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JZCbE-0000LR-7g; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:05:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080311-0, 2008-03-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JZCbE-0000LR-7g. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1JZCbE-0000LR-7g 19e3c7bbadfea198420899834740a17a X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92208 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: >> For learning perhaps? Maybe not very useful for you though ... ;-) > >> However looking at the Minibuff menu when doing C-x C-f in CVS Emacs 23 >> I see a little bit strangeness: > >> Minibuff >> Complete -- TAB >> Complete Word >> List Completions -- ? >> Previous History Item -- M-p >> Next History Item -- M-n >> Isearch History Backward -- C-r >> Isearch History Forward -- C-s >> Enter -- C-j >> Quit -- M-ESC ESC > >> I would perhaps expect some to be different > >> Previous History Item -- up >> Next History Item -- down >> Quit -- C-g > >> It seems like the choice of keybinding to show could be done better. > > The Quit one looks bad indeed. The other 2 are right: we want to show > the bindings which work everywhere whenever possible, whereas `up' and > `down' keys may not always be available. It is a difficult choice what to choose, but I would prefer up/down for beginners. Are there really any cases where up/down are not available today? >> Enter -- C-j > >> I do not understand that one at all. > > That's not too good either, indeed, but I don't see it here (it just > doesn't say anything at all for me). Emacs 23.0.60.1, 2008-03-10. But I can't understand why "Enter" should be in the menu. It is really not surprising that you press ENTER to enter the data, or is it? Of course I see a lot of people entering data in a web browser using the mouse to click the submit button, but I do not think anyone of them uses Emacs ...