From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: FW: Minibuf menu when minibuffer is standalone Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:39:52 +0100 Message-ID: <47D6FC28.2090306@gmail.com> References: <001001c883ab$528a70f0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205271790 29920 80.91.229.12 (11 Mar 2008 21:43:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , 'Emacs-Devel' To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 11 22:43:29 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JZCFf-0004ef-KL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:43:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZCF7-0002nF-Af for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:42:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZCCs-0000L1-1w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:40:22 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZCCq-0000Ia-FE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:40:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZCCq-0000IM-8j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:40:20 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JZCCp-0004xq-L4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:40:20 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:59573 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JZCCh-000511-4E; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:40:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92206 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> From: Drew Adams Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:02 PM >>> Consider as a possible enhancement somehow making the Minibuf >>> menu-bar menu available also when the minibuffer is in a >>> standalone frame (frame parameter minibuffer has value `only'). >>> >>> Because the minibuffer maps are local maps, when you have a >>> standalone minibuffer frame, which has no menu-bar, the Minibuf >>> menu-bar menu is not available anywhere. (The other frames do >>> not have minibuffers, and their buffers do not have the >>> minibuffer map as local map.) >>> >>> Perhaps menu Minibuf could somehow be made to appear in all >>> frames that have a menu-bar, whenever the minibuffer is active. >>> I'm not sure how that might be implemented, because it is good >>> to keep the current situation of the minibuffer maps being >>> local to the minibuffer. But if a good implementation could be >>> found, it would be desirable to have the Minibuf menu available >>> also for users who have a standalone minibuffer. > > Actually, I'd hate such a behavior. It's only relatively recently > (maybe a couple years) that I discovered the minibuffer menus, where > I tested Emacs in a non-separate-minibuffer-frame setting and found the > menu-bar switching just inconvenient. > > I mean, really, all that menu-bar-switching for what? > 3 miserable commands? For learning perhaps? Maybe not very useful for you though ... ;-) However looking at the Minibuff menu when doing C-x C-f in CVS Emacs 23 I see a little bit strangeness: Minibuff Complete -- TAB Complete Word List Completions -- ? Previous History Item -- M-p Next History Item -- M-n Isearch History Backward -- C-r Isearch History Forward -- C-s Enter -- C-j Quit -- M-ESC ESC I would perhaps expect some to be different Previous History Item -- up Next History Item -- down Quit -- C-g It seems like the choice of keybinding to show could be done better. Enter -- C-j I do not understand that one at all.