From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:22:18 +0100 Message-ID: <47BE07AA.6020605@gmail.com> References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <86lk5f4fjb.fsf@timbral.net> <87ejb7babz.fsf@xmission.com> <85lk5fcod6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87ablvb4om.fsf@xmission.com> <85lk5fb3ym.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <8763wjb0nk.fsf@xmission.com> <864pc2tyw0.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86zltuqsmn.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <007401c874af$09194910$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> <877igykkup.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <47BE026B.8050708@gmail.com> <873arlkiha.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203636174 10917 80.91.229.12 (21 Feb 2008 23:22:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , Emacs Devel To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 22 00:23:18 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSKky-000425-UN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:23:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSKkT-0002jW-DQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:22:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSKkO-0002jM-M4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:22:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSKkL-0002hk-5h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:22:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSKkL-0002hh-01 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:22:33 -0500 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSKkH-0000lL-3B; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:22:29 -0500 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:61603 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JSKkF-00010z-43; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:22:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <873arlkiha.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080221-0, 2008-02-21), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-ACL-Warn: Too high rate of unknown addresses received from you X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1JSKkF-00010z-43. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1JSKkF-00010z-43 9cf5a1ef3fcc4ca7c93333380d461a0c X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89891 Archived-At: Miles Bader wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: >>> M-SPC seems to be trapped by this window manager (metacity) so it may >>> not be a very good binding for a lot of people (since metacity gets many >>> of its keybinding cues from windows, I'd also check whether windows >>> traps that)... >> Windows does not trap M-SPC but Alt-SPC. But, yes, it will be a problem >> on w32 too as long as Alt is use for Emacs META. > > Er, well, the concept of "M-" is often kind of fuzzy at a WM level > (since keyboards generally don't say "Meta" anywhere), but yeah, many > WMs seem to trap key bindings that may be what Emacs thinks of as > "M-SPC". And I was wrong/unclear: Alt-SPC is not trapped, but the use of Alt-SPC interfere with the use it has in all other w32 GUI programs I know: Alt-SPC activates the "system menu" (which is the menu that is opened if you click the upper right corner of a w32 window). This is used for maximize/restore/minimize/close so it is pretty important IMO.