From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving to the new infrastructure Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:53:05 -0500 Message-ID: <479754D1.3000507@gnu.org> References: <20080122170101.55EDA83046A@snark.thyrsus.com> <87fxwptw0e.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1201100008 19983 80.91.229.12 (23 Jan 2008 14:53:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Karl Fogel , esr@snark.thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 23 15:53:46 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JHgz2-0004PO-Jb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:53:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHgyc-00043h-Qn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:53:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JHgyZ-00041m-IO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:53:15 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JHgyX-0003ym-Qe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:53:15 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHgyX-0003ya-Lj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:53:13 -0500 Original-Received: from www.janestcapital.com ([66.155.124.107] helo=smtp.janestcapital.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JHgyT-00026X-Lw; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:53:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [172.25.131.105] [38.96.172.125] by janestcapital.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.10) id A4D30574; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:53:07 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) Original-Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+ X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:87370 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richard Stallman wrote: | Would you like to volunteer to try one of the candidate bug trackers | using only email, and see how well it works? In my experience, "e-mail - operated bug trackers" (e.g., RT) are much worse than simple mailing lists. specifically, if you use more than one e-mail address (as I do), they turn into an unmitigated disaster because they tend to require that you reply using the same address which was used when you first submitted the issue &c. the general rule is that communication with a machine is inherently different from communication with a human being: a machine has low latency (it does not eat, sleep, have a day job), but requires a fixed format (majordomo commands have to be spelled correctly). this is why I find e-mail a good way to communicate with humans (and distribute notifications of changes to a bug in a tracker), and web a good way to communicate with bug trackers. specifically, I no longer subscribe to mailing lists that do not offer a web interface to the subscription process (e.g., mailman) because I do not use e-mail to talk to robots. I will find it impossible to use an e-mail-only bug tracker, such as RT. also, e-mail operated bug trackers will be infested with spam (and any attempt to filter span _on entry_ will hamper legitimate bug reports). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHl1TRPp1Qsf2qnMcRAtYPAKClN7vZElBsETF2ln18twrUZM7yzwCeJVmD YhfusHDO/+xF0S3wjsUOe6g= =O02Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----