From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: LENNART BORGMAN Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AltGr finger twisters documented? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40411 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40411 From=3A storm=40cua=2Edk (Kim F=2E Storm) =3E Juanma Barranquero =3Clekktu=40gmail=2Ecom=3E writes=3A =3E = =3E =3E After an exchange of comments on the Emacs wiki=2C that left me = =3E wondering=2E=2E=2E=3E =3E =3E Is there any place in the Emacs documentation that explains that = you =3E =3E *can* type C-M-=40=2C C-=40=2C C-M-=5C=2C C-=5C and C-=5D on an A= ltGr-challenged =3E =3E keyboard=2C *provided* that you use the right order=2C i=2Ee=2E=2C= AltGr=2C = =3E right=3E Ctrl=2C and then the modified key=3F =3E =3E =3E =3E For example=2C on my Spanish keyboard=3A =3E =3E =3E =3E C-M-=40 =3D=3E AltGr RCtrl Alt 2 =3E =3E C-=40 =3D=3E AltGr RCtrl 2 =3E =3E C-M-=5C =3D=3E AltGr RCtrl Alt =BA =3E =3E C-=5C =3D=3E AltGr RCtrl =BA =3E =3E C-=5D =3D=3E AltGr RCtrl + =3E =3E =3E =3E It is non-obvious=3A it doesn=27t work if you press other key bef= ore =3E =3E AltGr=2C or if you use left control=2E =3E = =3E Actually=2C on my Danish PC keyboard=2C C-=5C can be entered just fin= e =3E using either of =3E = =3E LCtrl AltGr =3C =3E AltGr LCtrl =3C =3E = =3E = =3E My setup=3A =3E = =3E In GNU Emacs 22=2E0=2E50=2E127 (i686-pc-linux-gnu=2C X toolkit=2C Xaw= 3d = =3E scroll bars) =3E of 2005-07-04 on kfs-l=2Eimdomain=2Edk =3E X server distributor =60The XFree86 Project=2C Inc=27=2C version 11=2E= 0=2E40300000 =3E Important settings=3A =3E value of =24LC=5FALL=3A nil =3E value of =24LC=5FCOLLATE=3A nil =3E value of =24LC=5FCTYPE=3A nil =3E value of =24LC=5FMESSAGES=3A nil =3E value of =24LC=5FMONETARY=3A nil =3E value of =24LC=5FNUMERIC=3A nil =3E value of =24LC=5FTIME=3A nil =3E value of =24LANG=3A en=5FUS=2EUTF-8 =3E locale-coding-system=3A utf-8 =3E default-enable-multibyte-characters=3A t Interesting=2C with this setup I must follow Juanmas advice=3A In GNU Emacs 22=2E0=2E50=2E1 (i386-mingw-nt5=2E0=2E2195) of 2005-07-04 on W2ONE X server distributor =60Microsoft Corp=2E=27=2C version 5=2E0=2E2195 configured using =60configure --with-gcc (3=2E2) --cflags -Id=3A/g/includ= e=27 Important settings=3A value of =24LC=5FALL=3A nil value of =24LC=5FCOLLATE=3A nil value of =24LC=5FCTYPE=3A nil value of =24LC=5FMESSAGES=3A nil value of =24LC=5FMONETARY=3A nil value of =24LC=5FNUMERIC=3A nil value of =24LC=5FTIME=3A nil value of =24LANG=3A SVE locale-coding-system=3A cp1252 default-enable-multibyte-characters=3A t What do I do to test your setup=3F