From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:25:49 +0100 Message-ID: <47781AED.1010108@gmail.com> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071230172259.GB6572@thyrsus.com> <18296.5089.576420.693451@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199053619 13015 80.91.229.12 (30 Dec 2007 22:26:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, "Eric S. Raymond" , Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 30 23:27:13 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J96cg-0002V2-WE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:27:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J96cL-0005QF-Gn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:26:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J96cH-0005NA-4h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:26:45 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J96cF-0005Jn-FE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:26:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J96cF-0005JY-B5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:26:43 -0500 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J96cB-00016z-DW; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:26:39 -0500 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:59895 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J96bz-000854-3K; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:26:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <18296.5089.576420.693451@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071230-0, 2007-12-30), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1J96bz-000854-3K. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1J96bz-000854-3K fdf33fa91cd61bc255576dc0c43238a3 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85708 Archived-At: Nick Roberts wrote: > > > I usually don't have an internet connection, so I could not possibly > > > use the methods you recommend. I cannot communicate with people by > > > IRC. I cannot get information from a web interface. > > > > Er...perhaps you should fix these problems, rather than allowing them > > to limit and damage Emacs and every other project you are involved in. > > I don't think Richard perceives it as a problem. After a long thread about > using a bug tracker, we still use a file called FOR-RELEASE; seven months > after 22.1 was released, there has been no bugfix 22.2 release; and after > five and a half years on a branch, Unicode Emacs is still on a branch. > > This is how Emacs development works. As they say, you can lead a horse to > water but you can't make it drink. What was the problem with choosing a bug tracking system? Aren't there any systems where you can commit changes and do other things with bug track records just as you do for source code?