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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310073 Archived-At: --bb51f65ca1634a91aa77bbfb510f90aa Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the record - that wasn't my last reply to you. Perhaps you missed it= , perhaps you just enjoy insulting me. I honestly don't give a fuck at t= his point.=20 I tried to listen to the perspective of others, despite my initial posit= ion. You are directly telling me now that you believe you have bullied/f= orced me to reconsider. Do you honestly believe this is a healthy way to= work together with others??? I told you that nicer communication is more productive, not that it'd ma= ke you more productive. You twist the meaning of half the things I say, = you keep mocking me and you make zero effort to change our tone.=20 Everyone here can decide for themselves who's constructive and who's an = asshole. Just leave me alone and go live in your magical GNU castle.=20 On Mon, Sep 4, 2023, at 10:55 AM, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 9:49=E2=80=AFAM Bozhidar Batsov wrote: > > > > Okay. I tried to conclude our conversation on good terms but clearly= you believe I'm not doing something right by you. >=20 > Your last message did nothing but chafe about my poor > manners for not inviting you specially to a discussion > and offered me life advice on being productive. > That's hardly "on good terms", but I too am happy to end > it here. Do enjoy your holiday, sincerely. >=20 >=20 --bb51f65ca1634a91aa77bbfb510f90aa Content-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For the record = - that wasn't my last reply to you. Perhaps you missed it, perhaps you j= ust enjoy insulting me. I honestly don't give a fuck at this point. = ;

I tried to listen to the perspective of o= thers, despite my initial position. You are directly telling me now that= you believe you have bullied/forced me to reconsider. Do you honestly b= elieve this is a healthy way to work together with others???

I told you that nicer communication is more productive= , not that it'd make you more productive. You twist the meaning of half = the things I say, you keep mocking me and you make zero effort to change= our tone. 

Everyone here can decide f= or themselves who's constructive and who's an asshole. Just leave me alo= ne and go live in your magical GNU castle. 

On Mon, Sep 4, 2023, at 10:55 AM, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote:
On Mon, Sep 4, 202= 3 at 9:49=E2=80=AFAM Bozhidar Batsov <bozhidar@batsov.dev> wrote:
>
<= div>> Okay. I tried to conclude our conversation on good terms but cl= early you believe I'm not doing something right by you.
Your last message did nothing but chafe about my poor
manners for not inviting you specially to a discussion
and offered me life advice on being productive.
That= 's hardly "on good terms", but I too am happy to end
it he= re.  Do enjoy your holiday, sincerely.


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