From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: un-deprecating CL Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:33:18 +0200 Message-ID: <46EF7F3E.8070107@gmail.com> References: <864phxjj03.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> <87hclx834d.fsf@red-bean.com> <86ps0jiwfm.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> <86k5qqgh9y.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190100815 23906 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2007 07:33:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David O'Toole , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 18 09:33:33 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IXXaO-0002dw-Qa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:33:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXXaL-0005Iv-4G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:33:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IXXaH-0005H3-IC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:33:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IXXaF-0005GW-Tb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:33:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXXaF-0005GP-QX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:33:23 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IXXa6-0000cL-KZ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:33:14 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-133-189.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.133.189]:60841 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IXXa4-00021R-4w; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:33:13 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000775-1, 2007-09-17), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.133.189 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1IXXa4-00021R-4w. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1IXXa4-00021R-4w 9e5c8f8be8bd6d9237e9d1d25204d399 X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79180 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: > > It is added complexity that we don't need. To add them to standard > > Emacs Lisp functions would call for documenting them with great > > importance. > > But defcustom, make-hash-table, define-derived-mode, > make-network-process, etc all use keyword arguments as far as I can > tell. > > That's not cogent. The fact that one part of the system is complex is > no reason to make another part unnecessarily complex. > > If you want to understand my decision, the crucial point is that I consider > the complexity of these functions a negative. If the keyword argument handling is broken out and generalized will it still add much complexity? (This could be combined with making a recommendation not to use that functionality normally.)