From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Summary (Re: A system for localizing documentation strings) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:04:25 +0200 Message-ID: <46A9B519.9010307@swipnet.se> References: <795F38F4-7253-47DC-97DD-53BED4F0AB97@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <46A9A6DA.9020908@swipnet.se> <46A9AA59.20403@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185527155 13891 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2007 09:05:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jean-Christophe Helary , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 27 11:05:47 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IELl4-0001af-CS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:05:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IELl3-0003uW-Mb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:05:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IELkx-0003r3-1K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:05:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IELku-0003oy-7b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:05:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IELku-0003ob-30 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:05:04 -0400 Original-Received: from av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.181]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IELkt-0000Et-Cd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:05:03 -0400 Original-Received: by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 695E13801E; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:05:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av10-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4482D37E9F; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:05:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from husetbladh.homeip.net (81-235-205-78-no59.tbcn.telia.com [81.235.205.78]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B51A37E42; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:05:02 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) In-Reply-To: <46A9AA59.20403@gnu.org> X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:75640 Archived-At: Jason Rumney skrev: > Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: >> We don't need that. Translators are organized in teams, and everythin= g uses >> gettext. We do not want a different mechanism here. Many translators >> translates programs they very rarely, if ever, use. It would be a mis= take to >> not use gettext. >> =20 >=20 > I disagree. It is a mistake to use any system that requires code to be > modified to fit with its conventions before translation can occur. We > cannot guarantee that maintainers of external lisp packages will do the > work that is required. Since we already have mechanisms in place that > extract doc strings, tooltip text and menu text for display, we should > add the necessary hooks at that point to provide translations transpare= ntly. We can not guarantee that maintainers of external lisp packages will do anything, regardless of what mechanism Emacs use. But the point is that = Emacs is unlikely to be translated by the translation teams that are already ou= th there if a completely new mechanism that differs much from gettext is ado= pted. Jan D.