From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:06:33 +0000 Message-ID: <4684f43123d7dee59461@heytings.org> References: <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22926"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 23 16:07:36 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1quvai-0005j8-3a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 16:07:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1quvZr-000131-P5; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:06:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1quvZo-00012U-GU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:06:42 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1quvZl-0004rN-42; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:06:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1698069994; bh=tYCAjJZeBwY2OOGg8IeyDNPiXUYVVRz5z3rV959DIF0=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=zBjRcaqauASg+FBBTHH5DsS56e411p66d9kya73kZGnq2HfBCpNH6ArqCWRufN5Yi /yb2Ive1DijzC//fPqGfvSckgX1vEJrHAgN1N8+pRDZgGBaPzsSrBfjTWs+ZlKUJJR GHfLg9wFo2yp7sabcrJuBk/BmFGJn/V1LR5JFySGAJiHCvKyXvdU3RHOZ/DROEyobH mUBQyVue3u1jMb52q+WjxPfDHNPNURLoih9o+0U8ganAPCHJDHT/FfnVsbry+ozNeI 7sFoZLw32weqr9i5E/9GdpjrzrpuI6M+WsppUc2edu7LaURBcPmBwcq8teq5QYXTvO ww0qHHl6pPg8w== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311713 Archived-At: > > For instance, the debugger should not load cl-lib. > Pretty much everything loads cl-lib nowadays, for example: - C-s / C-r / M-% / C-M-% - C-h C-h - C-h t - C-h w - C-h k C-g - M-x apropos - clicking in the echo area - clicking on the modeline - hovering over the modeline or over the toolbar - browsing the menus - clicking on a completion in *Completions* - CC Mode - Shell-script mode - VC (and opening any file in a version-controlled repository) - Dired - M-g g (or c or i) - M-x shell - M-x eshell - M-x M-n - M-. and M-? and M-, (Xref) - C-x ( - M-& - C-x m and Gnus and Rmail - EWW - Org