From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gtk scroll bar deficiency Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:54:14 -0400 Message-ID: <466DA866.4080907@gnu.org> References: <466D8F06.6010906@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181591671 11748 80.91.229.12 (11 Jun 2007 19:54:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 11 21:54:28 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hxpy3-0000dD-G7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:54:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hxpy3-0007BQ-41 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:54:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hxpxy-00077w-Cb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:54:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hxpxw-00076O-UD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:54:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hxpxw-000763-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:54:16 -0400 Original-Received: from www.janestcapital.com ([66.155.124.107] helo=smtp.janestcapital.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hxpxw-00070F-4K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:54:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [172.25.131.105] [38.96.172.125] by janestcapital.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.10) id A87401D0; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:54:28 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 X-detected-kernel: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+ X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72640 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I just built emacs with gtk for the first time and I was struck by the >> change in the scroll bar behavior (specifically, the location of the >> sliding "scroll thing" - what is its official name anyway?). > > Some toolkits call it the "thumb". thanks. what is a "slider" (is there such a word?) >> before: when the whole buffer is visible, the scroll thing in the bar >> occupies the whole scroll bar (clearly indicating that everything is >> visible); when the bottom of the buffer is visible, the scroll thing is >> at the bottom of the scroll bar. this is also the behavior of gedit, >> firefox, openoffice, gnumeric et al, and I like it. > >> now: when the whole buffer is visible (more generally, when the bottom >> is visible), the scroll thing does not reach the bottom of the scroll >> bar - you can scroll down and, as the bottom of the buffer scrolls up, >> the scroll thing reaches the bottom of scroll bar (while decreasing in >> its size). this is the behavior of vim, and I hate it. > >> is this change intentional? >> it looks like a bug to me... > > I'm pretty sure it's intentional. It's not perfect, but the perfect > behavior (which you get with the non-toolkit build) does this mean that you agree that the first behavior is better? > tends to be difficult to > get with current toolkits because toolkit writers are boneheaded somehow gedit got it right - and it appears to be pretty minimalist by design ("notepad" for gnome). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGbahmPp1Qsf2qnMcRAuGJAKCJy/QMdohVREXeLlVPu4JAkZgT7ACgh9Nt xwmVaNCGQ3rqGTc5igJo4cA= =sJFX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----