From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Post-22.1 development? Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:21:02 +0200 Message-ID: <4667BFEE.1040803@swipnet.se> References: <878xb05ras.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <864plnorgn.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <85ps4ap0kh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <18023.8888.790251.607253@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <4667AAD8.5040502@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181204497 8457 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2007 08:21:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 07 10:21:36 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HwDFP-00059v-Eu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:21:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwDFO-0003W3-5k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:21:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HwDFH-0003TC-DK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:21:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HwDFF-0003SM-Uq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:21:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwDFF-0003SE-Ov for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:21:25 -0400 Original-Received: from av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.180]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HwDFE-00075O-LF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:21:25 -0400 Original-Received: by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id C534837E9B; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:21:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF6A37E87; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:21:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from husetbladh.homeip.net (81-235-205-78-no59.tbcn.telia.com [81.235.205.78]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B1A37E46; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:21:19 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72405 Archived-At: Miles Bader skrev: > Jan Dj=E4rv writes: >>> It's a bit rambling, but the relevant part is how Emacs doesn't sit >>> naturally on a modern Desktop. I don't fully understand the issues b= ut >>> Jan D. could probably explain them. >> It is a lot of general comments but very few specific. Also they seem= to >> be based on a non-Gtk build of Emacs. But even with a Gtk build, ther= e >> are things lacking, and what I think they mean are: >=20 > ... >=20 > A large part of what you listed basically comes down to "Emacs is not a > Gnome program"... which is inarguably true. >=20 > But "not a gnome program" !=3D "doesn't sit naturally on a modern deskt= op": > most of these points apply to almost every other non-gnome program out > there -- including programs using very functional and polished > non-gtk/gnome GUI/infrastructure toolkits. Yes, I got the same impression. Someone argued that firefox/mozilla by t= hat=20 standard is not well integrated either. I often use ghostview, xpdf, xdv= i,=20 and they are even less integrated than Emacs. But very useful nontheless= and=20 the lack of "integration" hasn't been anything I ever thought about. Some things may be worth adressing, but I think mostly this is the same "= If it=20 isn't Gnome, it sucks"-attitude that Gnome people seem to have. Jan D.