From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Davis Herring" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: generate 3) S-mouse-2: follow link in new window Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46605.128.165.123.18.1190658794.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> References: Reply-To: herring@lanl.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190658856 10931 80.91.229.12 (24 Sep 2007 18:34:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , Lennart Borgman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 24 20:34:10 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IZsks-0003Ff-IJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:34:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZskp-0005IM-Tu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:33:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZskG-0004tH-T1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:33:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZskF-0004s6-4n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:33:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZskE-0004ro-MZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:33:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailwasher.lanl.gov ([204.121.3.2]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IZskD-0006vn-Il for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:33:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (mailrelay3.lanl.gov [128.165.4.104]) by mailwasher.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.6/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id l8OIXIeg019620; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:33:18 -0600 Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (webmail1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.106]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id l8OIXEtp011688; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:33:14 -0600 Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.lanl.gov (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l8OIXE6Y016080; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:33:14 -0600 Original-Received: (from apache@localhost) by webmail1.lanl.gov (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id l8OIXEuT016078; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:33:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: webmail1.lanl.gov: apache set sender to herring@lanl.gov using -f Original-Received: from 128.165.123.18 (SquirrelMail authenticated user 196434) by webmail.lanl.gov with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-6.el3.2lanl X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-CTN-5-MailScanner-Information: Please see http://network.lanl.gov/email/virus-scan.php X-CTN-5-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CTN-5-MailScanner-From: herring@lanl.gov X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79744 Archived-At: > How so? Perhaps it depends on the wheeled mouse, but I've never had any > difficulty using the wheel as `mouse-2'. No doubt you have the same > problem yanking with the mouse? Or perhaps you don't yank with the mouse > either? The wheel is smaller than the (other) buttons, and takes some care to get just a mouse-2 and not a wheel-scroll then mouse-2 (which would paste somewhere else!). I don't yank much with the mouse (I can after all have C-y ready with one hand while the other just uses mouse-1), but I can; I'm not saying that wheels are impossible to use as buttons, just harder. (They might very well be unusable for someone who had impaired fine motor control.) > Fair enough. Consider people who do use a mouse to set point, particularly > those who have a click-to-focus window manager and who use multiple > frames. It's not all that different: I use click-to-focus (largely because I sometimes like to shove the mouse out of the way), and at the moment I have a whole two Emacs frames open on each of two machines. And, as I said, I do sometimes use the mouse to set point; it's just that that rarity combined with the rarity of wanting to set point in, say, *Help* in the first place that makes the whole thing a non-issue for me. > Perhaps using `mouse-1' to follow links is less annoying for folks who > don't use the mouse to set point ;-). I am curious, though, why you use a > mouse to follow links but not to set point. Because I typically want to edit (with the keyboard) after I set point, and not after I click a link (which corresponds to "browing" Help or Info or code, rather than editing same). Links are often in other windows and/or are one of many similar choices, and I find them to be best selected with a pointer. > Wrt wanting to set point in a link - I don't think that is so much the > question as wanting to set point (or just establish focus) and > accidentally landing on a link. My links are underlined, and my text in general is not, so I don't find myself unsure what will happen if I click; I also automatically click in the blank space of a window to select it (to avoid activating anything in it), although this sometimes means that I need to go back to where I was! > The place where I'm bitten most often (when I use emacs -Q) is clicking a > file name in Dired to then do something with that file. Drives me nuts > that it opens the file. (But I'm sure that, like Stefan, with time and > patience I could get in the habit of avoiding this annoyance much of the > time.) I always use C-s ... RET RET in that case. But at this point we're just comparing usage patterns of two Emacs users, so if we are to continue we might as well take a real survey on the subject. Davis -- This product is sold by volume, not by mass. If it appears too dense or too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during shipping.