From: Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: multi-tty@fnord.hu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, karoly@lorentey.hu,
rms@gnu.org, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
Subject: Re: Merging multitty
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:25:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <464444AF.9070905@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <867irf3cjo.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz>
David Kastrup wrote:
> I think we more or less agreed (modulo my possibly biased
> recollections) that Emacs 23 should have the multitty functionality.
>
I am not arguing against including it in Emacs 23, I just think it is a
mistake to check code that is knowingly broken on some platforms into
the trunk.
I will put effort into getting it working again on Windows (assuming
noone else beats me to it), whether it is on a CVS branch or the trunk,
as I have done with emacs-unicode-2, but due to the time I have
available this could take a couple of months or more. I don't think it
is acceptable to have the trunk broken for that long, as it will prevent
some other developers who use Windows from helping with Emacs 23
development, if they do not have the w32 api experience to help with
fixing the multitty breakage, for example they may want to help with
some Lisp package.
I am not asking that it be flawless before merging, just that it isn't
horribly broken.
> I have my doubts that if we merge unicode-2 first and postpone
> multitty until all issues with it are resolved, the issues will never
> actually get resolved. In particular when multitty is not kept
> synched to the trunk after a unicode-2 merge.
>
Why would you not sync multitty to the trunk after the unicode-2 merge?
Surely Karoly, Handa and anyone else willing and interested should start
on resolving the merge problems as soon as possible. Even if we did the
multitty merge first, we would have the same problems on the unicode-2
branch, and would require the same people working on resolving them.
> I don't think that this is likely to happen in Károly's private
> repository, I really think that we need to merge it into the trunk for
> a reasonable chance to have this happen.
>
I agree that it won't happen in Karoly's private repository. I have
tried using it, but the revision control system he uses seems to be
unstable (from a user interface perspective), and the instructions he
gives for checking out no longer work. Reading the the latest quickstart
guide for bazaar did not really help. But committing it to a branch ASAP
would let the work commence on stabilizing it on other platforms ready
for merging into trunk.
>> Your point that Karoly is not going to be available for much longer
>> is a point against merging into trunk quickly IMHO. Either someone
>> else will step forward to maintain that code, in which case it
>> doesn't matter if the merge to trunk happens later, or noone wants
>> to maintain the multitty code, in which case merging into trunk
>> would be a mistake.
>>
>
> I disagree with that assessment. It presumes that not making Emacs
> multitty-capable ever is a reasonable option.
It is the only option if we don't have anyone willing to maintain that
capability. But judging from your activism on this, I don't expect we
will have that problem.
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2007-05-04 21:17 Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-05 22:42 ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-05 22:49 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-06 17:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-06 18:18 ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-06 20:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 16:50 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 17:07 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-08 6:27 ` Jan Djärv
2007-05-07 17:36 ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-07 18:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 17:53 ` spect. [Was: Reordering etc/NEWS] Alan Mackenzie
2007-05-07 18:16 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-05-07 21:51 ` Reordering etc/NEWS Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 22:04 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-08 18:09 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-08 21:09 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 8:57 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-05-09 9:23 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 17:54 ` JD Smith
2007-05-09 19:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-09 19:59 ` JD Smith
2007-05-09 20:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-09 20:54 ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-10 13:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-09 21:56 ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-09 22:15 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 22:25 ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-09 22:32 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 22:59 ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10 7:24 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-10 7:49 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 8:04 ` joakim
2007-05-10 9:19 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-10 9:32 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 9:42 ` joakim
2007-05-10 9:52 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 10:10 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 23:27 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12 7:53 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 12:09 ` Multi-tty design (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-12 13:34 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 17:21 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12 18:03 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 11:08 ` Károly Lőrentey
2007-05-13 12:50 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 16:41 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 17:04 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-13 17:18 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 18:11 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-13 18:17 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 18:22 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-13 20:13 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 20:41 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 21:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 0:39 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-05-13 21:18 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 6:33 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 21:05 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 10:11 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 10:37 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 11:35 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 12:24 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 12:45 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 12:52 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 13:36 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 13:41 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 13:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 16:48 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 17:29 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 18:19 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 19:07 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 20:04 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 20:24 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 21:02 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 21:20 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-14 21:49 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 22:00 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15 19:38 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-14 21:27 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:13 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 22:27 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:38 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-05-14 22:44 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 23:03 ` Multi-tty design Nick Roberts
2007-05-14 23:29 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15 7:44 ` Multi-tty design (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-15 8:24 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-16 1:51 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 22:59 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-14 23:22 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-14 22:42 ` joakim
2007-05-14 22:55 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:50 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 23:05 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-15 7:41 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15 16:48 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-14 22:35 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-05-15 15:53 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-16 1:41 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-16 15:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-17 13:12 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 15:31 ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-17 17:00 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 20:02 ` Ken Raeburn
2007-05-17 21:17 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 3:36 ` Károly Lőrentey
2007-05-17 22:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18 2:58 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 7:19 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:04 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 11:48 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:58 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 2:52 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-17 22:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-17 14:35 ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-17 9:59 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-17 14:05 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-17 16:46 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 23:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18 7:36 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 14:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18 14:49 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 16:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-20 9:04 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 13:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 13:35 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 1:54 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-22 6:37 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 15:49 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-22 21:26 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-23 18:55 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-23 19:24 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-24 10:55 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-24 11:04 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-18 2:47 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 8:14 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:55 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 12:24 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 17:40 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 18:18 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 23:09 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-20 18:13 ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-14 21:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 21:52 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 16:48 ` Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 10:24 ` joakim
2007-05-10 10:24 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 22:58 ` Multi-tty branch status (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12 4:20 ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-12 6:48 ` Kalle Olavi Niemitalo
2007-05-12 7:58 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 16:48 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 10:30 ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-12 11:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 21:52 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 16:48 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 17:25 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-10 10:28 ` Reordering etc/NEWS YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2007-05-09 22:58 ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-10 6:21 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 1:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-10 1:43 ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-11 7:42 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 8:03 ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-11 8:34 ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-11 8:44 ` Merging multitty (was: Reordering etc/NEWS) David Kastrup
2007-05-11 9:20 ` Merging multitty Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 10:00 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 10:25 ` Jason Rumney [this message]
2007-05-11 11:01 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:05 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12 16:48 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 17:58 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 10:52 ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-12 19:32 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-12 19:42 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 20:19 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-12 20:27 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 20:30 ` Samium Gromoff
2007-05-11 21:10 ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-11 12:00 ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-11 13:14 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 13:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 13:51 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 13:57 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 14:09 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 14:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 14:34 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-11 21:34 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12 7:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 13:34 ` merging Unicode branch and availability of Windows binaries Drew Adams
2007-05-14 14:16 ` Drew Adams
2007-05-14 14:30 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 15:05 ` Drew Adams
2007-05-14 17:32 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:56 ` Merging multitty Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 9:45 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-11 10:02 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:56 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-13 1:33 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13 3:11 ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-13 3:27 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13 4:00 ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-13 4:21 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13 12:43 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 8:08 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-14 10:19 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-14 11:02 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 14:46 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-05-15 9:46 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-15 20:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <4649F799.3050108@lorentey.hu>
2007-05-16 1:39 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 13:06 ` Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 14:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 14:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 14:49 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 17:15 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 17:21 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 15:53 ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10 17:39 ` Ken Manheimer
2007-05-10 17:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 8:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 11:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 15:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 16:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 17:49 ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-11 18:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 18:37 ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-12 7:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-12 7:59 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 13:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-12 16:47 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 18:48 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 21:46 ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10 17:13 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 18:48 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 16:50 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 21:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 21:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 10:05 ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-05-07 10:12 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 13:39 ` Jay Belanger
2007-05-07 13:45 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 13:54 ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-07 14:03 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 14:57 ` Chong Yidong
2007-05-07 23:28 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 23:28 ` Richard Stallman
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