From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: when emacs 22.1 release will ready? Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:30:57 +0200 Message-ID: <46366011.4010301@gmail.com> References: <259495020704291337s35dd584fi3b7ef1dd511b11d4@mail.gmail.com> <4635B7F9.8090909@gmail.com> <4635B8F8.9020309@gnu.org> <4635BCB6.9060108@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177968715 22005 80.91.229.12 (30 Apr 2007 21:31:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: alexott@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, storm@cua.dk, jasonr@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 30 23:31:51 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HidTH-0005AX-Lv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:31:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HidZV-0003L7-BT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:38:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HidYp-00032a-9A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:37:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HidYo-000302-0M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:37:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HidYn-0002zz-6F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:37:29 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HidSW-0006g2-9G; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:31:00 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-145-24.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.145.24]:60443 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HidSU-00082W-4G; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:30:58 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070326 Thunderbird/2.0.0.0 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000737-2, 2007-04-30), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1HidSU-00082W-4G. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1HidSU-00082W-4G eb5a87d09b73497504e82cdae634d176 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:70419 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:53:58 +0200 >> From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" >> Cc: Alex Ott , emacs-devel@gnu.org, >> "Kim F. Storm" >> >>> The quality of Emacs hasn't changed considerably over the past 3 years. >>> What would change it is to do a proper pretest cycle where only >>> regressions are fixed with the aim of reaching zero code changes after a >>> few pretest releases and releasing at that point. >> But how can you be sure that the changes does not cause new regressions >> without some kind of more automatic testing (like unit tests then)? > > Jason said ``zero code changes''. Zero changes can never cause any > regressions. That of course depends on how you define it.