From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `customize-customized' and mode variable of a minor mode Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:32:09 +0200 Message-ID: <4616A039.4060006@gmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175894310 16508 80.91.229.12 (6 Apr 2007 21:18:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 06 23:17:41 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HZuAd-0005gL-HU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:32:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZuE9-0001FX-4O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:36:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZuDq-00017L-9y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:35:46 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZuDo-00016e-EB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:35:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZuDo-00016X-3i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:35:44 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HZuAH-0008RI-L3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-145-24.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.145.24]:62543 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HZuAF-0001h2-8p; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:32:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.10) Gecko/20070221 Thunderbird/1.5.0.10 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000731-0, 2007-04-06), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1HZuAF-0001h2-8p. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1HZuAF-0001h2-8p caa38d8ec7d9aeb0b27e64650fbc7391 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:69137 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > `define-minor-mode' defines a defcustom, not a defvar, for the mode > variable. That seems like a good thing. However, if the mode has been > toggled, then `customize-customized' recognizes this variable's value as > having changed. > > This can be inconvenient. Users should be able to use `customize-customized' > to check for variables that they have changed and might want to save. I use > `customize-customized' (tweaked so it always returns t) on > `kill-emacs-query-functions', for instance, to remind me to save changes. A > mode variable change via toggling is not usually a change users want to > save. I do not follow you here. I do not know if it matters, but it is only minor modes that are global that shows up in `customize-customized'. For what reasons should not users want to save them?