*Help* window fonts, colors.

*Help* window fonts, colors.

[A Soare]

HELLO.

I have just asked on #emacs whether I can customize the fonts, colors of the frame of the *Help* buffer, and I was asked by 2 persons to report this problem here.

So I report it now. Maybe somebody can solve it faster than me.



Alin  Soare.

Re: *Help* window fonts, colors.

[Richard Stallman]

    I have just asked on #emacs whether I can customize the fonts,
    colors of the frame of the *Help* buffer, and I was asked by 2
    persons to report this problem here.

I don't think the absence of such a feature is a bug.  I would not
object to adding such a feature, but now is not the time for that.

RE: *Help* window fonts, colors.

[Drew Adams]

>     I have just asked on #emacs whether I can customize the fonts,
>     colors of the frame of the *Help* buffer, and I was asked by 2
>     persons to report this problem here.
>
> I don't think the absence of such a feature is a bug.  I would not
> object to adding such a feature, but now is not the time for that.

What is meant by the missing feature that would be added? I don't understand
what is being requested.

I just add an entry to `special-display-buffer-names' to customize the
*Help* buffer's frame (standalone, in my case):

 ("*Help*"
  my-display-*Help*-frame   ; display fn raises the frame
  ((background-color . "Thistle")
   (mouse-color . "Blue Violet")
   (cursor-color . "Blue Violet")
   (height . 40)))

And there are other ways to customize a *Help* frame. What's missing?

Re: *Help* window fonts, colors.

[Jan Djärv]

Drew Adams skrev:
>>     I have just asked on #emacs whether I can customize the fonts,
>>     colors of the frame of the *Help* buffer, and I was asked by 2
>>     persons to report this problem here.
>>
>> I don't think the absence of such a feature is a bug.  I would not
>> object to adding such a feature, but now is not the time for that.
> 
> What is meant by the missing feature that would be added? I don't understand
> what is being requested.
> 
> I just add an entry to `special-display-buffer-names' to customize the
> *Help* buffer's frame (standalone, in my case):
> 
>  ("*Help*"
>   my-display-*Help*-frame   ; display fn raises the frame
>   ((background-color . "Thistle")
>    (mouse-color . "Blue Violet")
>    (cursor-color . "Blue Violet")
>    (height . 40)))
> 
> And there are other ways to customize a *Help* frame. What's missing?

A frame is not a buffer.

	Jan D.

RE: *Help* window fonts, colors.

[Drew Adams]

> >>     I have just asked on #emacs whether I can customize the fonts,
> >>     colors of the frame of the *Help* buffer, and I was asked by 2
> >>     persons to report this problem here.
> >>
> >> I don't think the absence of such a feature is a bug.  I would not
> >> object to adding such a feature, but now is not the time for that.
> >
> > What is meant by the missing feature that would be added? I
> > don't understand what is being requested.
> > ...
> > And there are other ways to customize a *Help* frame.
> > What's missing?
>
> A frame is not a buffer.

And?  The OP asked about customizing the "fonts, colors of the _frame_ of
the *Help* buffer".

That's why I asked for clarification. If the buffer is not standalone in its
own frame, then changing the fonts and colors of its frame would also affect
other buffers displayed there. If the buffer is in its own frame, then I
don't see what's missing now.

Perhaps the OP meant font-lock coloring. That could be added for buffer
*Help*, but I'm not sure that's what was requested.

I took the OP to mean something other than font-lock fontifying, because of
the mention of "frame". The phrase "frame of the *Help* buffer" makes me
think of a dedicated *Help*- buffer frame. The phrase "fonts, colors of the
frame" makes me think of default font, default foreground and background
colors, cursor color, and so on. Clarification welcome.

Re: *Help* window fonts, colors.

[Jan Djärv]

Drew Adams skrev:
>>>>     I have just asked on #emacs whether I can customize the fonts,
>>>>     colors of the frame of the *Help* buffer, and I was asked by 2
>>>>     persons to report this problem here.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think the absence of such a feature is a bug.  I would not
>>>> object to adding such a feature, but now is not the time for that.
>>> What is meant by the missing feature that would be added? I
>>> don't understand what is being requested.
>>> ...
>>> And there are other ways to customize a *Help* frame.
>>> What's missing?
>> A frame is not a buffer.
> 
> And?  The OP asked about customizing the "fonts, colors of the _frame_ of
> the *Help* buffer".
> 
> That's why I asked for clarification. If the buffer is not standalone in its
> own frame, then changing the fonts and colors of its frame would also affect
> other buffers displayed there. If the buffer is in its own frame, then I
> don't see what's missing now.
> 
> Perhaps the OP meant font-lock coloring. That could be added for buffer
> *Help*, but I'm not sure that's what was requested.

Can the OP clarify please?  I thought he wanted font-lock.

	Jan D.

RE: *Help* window fonts, colors.

[A Soare]

Pour qu'on saisisses le mieux, il vaut mieux que je devoile la ligne du sein de mon .emacs:

(defconst special-display-regexps '("[ ]?[*][^*]+[*]"))

Voila. Cela fait que mon *help* ouvre dans un FRAME, pas dans un WINDOW.

Mon probleme c'est que je veux VOIR LE HELP AVEC LE FONT ET EN COULEURS que je souhaite , a savoir: BACKGROUND, FOREGROUND etc.

Ca n'importe si je le vois (le *help) dans la meme fenetre, dans une autre fenetre, ou dans un FRAME (dedie ou non dedie).

De par l'utilisation tres frequente du *Help*, notamment par les programmeurs, je pense qu'une telle option sera bien venue (reclamee par) pour plethore gens, sinon la majorite. 

Y compris d'autres fonctions d'Emacs, je peux faire une analogie avec *Info*. En *Info* on peut changer toutes les options d'affichage comme l'on veut. En *help* cela n'est pas possible.

Donc - Bref - ce que j'ai demande il y a 2 jours: c'est possible d'ajouter des options tel que l'affichage en *help* soit autant configurable comme celui d'*INFO* ?

La, au fait des 2 propos ci-dessous : l'option 2 donne une reponse a ma demande, non compris le BACKGROUND, qui appartient d'option 1.
En tout cas, quant a moi, l'importance d'option #2 est de pointe.


Merci. La, j'espere d'avoir arrive a vous faire comprendre tous ce que j'aie pense.


> Message du 05/02/07 à 09h29
> De : "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> A : alinsoar@voila.fr
> Copie à : 
> Objet : RE: *Help* window fonts, colors.
> 
> Alin,
> 
> Essayons en francais (franglais, pour moi). Desole, mais j'ai du mal a comprendre - ceci surtout:
> 
> > I use into my Emacs frames - my help buffer opens into a frame - 
> 
> Je ne comprends pas la premiere partie. Pour la 2eme : tout buffer visible est affiche dans un window, qui est dans un frame. (Je presume que tu n'utilises pas "emacs -nw" pour demarrer Emacs.)
> 
> Il y a 2 choses differentes :
> 
> 1) changer certaines couleurs d'un frame et sa police de caracteres par defaut.
>  
> 2) changer les couleurs de certaines textes dans un buffer.
> 
> J'ai repondu pour #1 : Il faut : a) faire en sorte que le buffer *Help* est affiche toujours dans son propre frame dedie. b) changer les parametres de ce frame, comme j'ai suggere (voir `oneonone.el' et mon mail qui parle de `special-display-buffer-names'. On peut changer la police ce caracteres par defaut, la couleur du fond, la couleur foreground, etc. Mais ca ne fait pas en sorte que differentes parties du texte auront des couleurs differentes.
> 
> D'autres personnes ont compris plutot #2 : Ca, c'est effectivement une suggestion d'amelioration possible pour Emacs apres le release. Dans ce cas, le mode `help-mode' serait traite comme d'autres modes (e.g. `emacs-lisp-mode') qui sont traites par `font-lock'. Differentes parties du texte dans *Help* pourraient avoir des couleurs differentes, suivant leurs significations. Le buffer *Help* aurait ces couleurs (de texte) dans n'importe quelle window dans n'importe quel frame ou il serait affiche. Mais les parametres comme le fond d'ecran (frame) et le curseur n'auraient pas de couleur speciale, car ce sont des parametres de frame, et non pas des proprietes de texte. Le `font-lock' agit sur des proprietes de texte (plus ou moins).
> 
> Qu'est-ce qui t'interesse, #1 ou #2 ?
> 
> HTH - Drew
> 
> > When I started this message the problem was that I wished to be 
> > able to write something in my .emacs file, so that when I enter 
> > into *Help*, the *help* buffer has the font and colors that I want.
> > 
> > I use into my Emacs frames - my help buffer opens into a frame - 
> > that is why I expressed myself so.
> > 
> > I tried to customize the font and colors for this, but I did not 
> > find anywhere such an option. That was the problem in fact.
> > 
> > Alin Soare
> > 
> > 
> > > Message du 04/02/07 à 19h28
> > > De : "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> > > A : "Jan Djärv" <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
> > > Copie à : rms@gnu.org, alinsoar@voila.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> > > Objet : RE: *Help* window fonts, colors.
> > > 
> > > > >>     I have just asked on #emacs whether I can customize the fonts,
> > > > >>     colors of the frame of the *Help* buffer, and I was asked by 2
> > > > >>     persons to report this problem here.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I don't think the absence of such a feature is a bug.  I would not
> > > > >> object to adding such a feature, but now is not the time for that.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is meant by the missing feature that would be added? I
> > > > > don't understand what is being requested.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > And there are other ways to customize a *Help* frame.
> > > > > What's missing?
> > > >
> > > > A frame is not a buffer.
> > > 
> > > And?  The OP asked about customizing the "fonts, colors of the 
> > _frame_ of
> > > the *Help* buffer".
> > > 
> > > That's why I asked for clarification. If the buffer is not 
> > standalone in its
> > > own frame, then changing the fonts and colors of its frame 
> > would also affect
> > > other buffers displayed there. If the buffer is in its own frame, then I
> > > don't see what's missing now.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps the OP meant font-lock coloring. That could be added for buffer
> > > *Help*, but I'm not sure that's what was requested.
> > > 
> > > I took the OP to mean something other than font-lock 
> > fontifying, because of
> > > the mention of "frame". The phrase "frame of the *Help* buffer" makes me
> > > think of a dedicated *Help*- buffer frame. The phrase "fonts, 
> > colors of the
> > > frame" makes me think of default font, default foreground and background
> > > colors, cursor color, and so on. Clarification welcome.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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