From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: UI issue: inactive menu entries and icons Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:12:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4595061C.1070602@swipnet.se> References: <861wmlsek9.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167394374 9989 80.91.229.10 (29 Dec 2006 12:12:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 29 13:12:50 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H0GbR-0008H5-SB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:12:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0GbR-00035M-8k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:12:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H0GbF-000338-R5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:12:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H0GbF-00032I-1V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:12:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0GbE-000325-TG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:12:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.179] (helo=av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H0GbB-0007wq-EZ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 07:12:33 -0500 Original-Received: by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1870738094; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:12:32 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE42237FD7; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:12:31 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from husetbladh.homeip.net (81-235-205-78-no59.tbcn.telia.com [81.235.205.78]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB93737E46; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:12:31 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:64416 Archived-At: Richard Stallman skrev: > I find it disturbing that inactive menu entries and toolbar icons > won't display their tooltip. "What is this about?" is an interesting > question also when an item is inactive. I actually find this > _particularly_ interesting since I would like to figure out what would > make such entries active. Not getting the tooltip for them makes this > more difficult. > > That is an interesting point, and maybe Emacs should display those > tooltips. Does anyone see an argument against it? > > Anyway, is it Emacs that makes the choice, or is it the GUI toolkit? As for not displaying tooltips for inactive tool bar items, it is the GUI toolkit (i.e. GTK). Tooltips are displayed for inactive tool bar items for the native tool bar. As for menus, this is the toolkit also, but now Lesstif/Motif, Lucid and GTK are involved. I can relatively easy fix this for GTK (tool bar and menu) and probably Lucid as well (menu). I haven't looked very hard att Lesstif/Motif yet. Of these, I think only the GTK tool bar issue could be considered a bug, as tool tips for inactive menu items has not been shown previously. Should I fix the GTK tool bar before the release or just leave it till after? Jan D.