From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 23 Mac port Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 13:31:17 -0400 Message-ID: <458792C0-4FA1-4F95-8D83-9807A1A57B43@gmail.com> References: <2282B3B4-D844-4E26-BB94-9F79EEA2E847@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1273167108 9964 80.91.229.12 (6 May 2010 17:31:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 06 19:31:44 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA4vD-0000iR-ND for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 19:31:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41432 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OA4vC-00071M-HM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 13:31:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1OA4v3-0006yx-3f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 13:31:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36664 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OA4v1-0006wx-HG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 13:31:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA4uw-0003h9-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 13:31:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.212.41]:58377) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA4uv-0003gx-SV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 13:31:21 -0400 Original-Received: by vws3 with SMTP id 3so247693vws.0 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:31:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=jvD7WXaZHznFv/Q3ZvgmrzQo5h9AmdnSl0R7YSTRq24=; b=GHkhKdarnbFDOntS1VZscoUPYQ6h3RA1XHCLc1itrgtXcFTp6snkD1n0UQT+Wzamt+ zjBVGxs5of5QC0qQ2WEIRsn1P4DT4WB9NHWWPriimbQ8mjDYmSnVCEfz+iU+bSbjyoWR u7LSwbslwftA2or2404cjcmBRF4vEgnLr/Jr4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=OEclScYjlaom9R8MUSv6baD9tUdf7SHlfQb8+5pApqkNgj3sePat71RKXOo76Ej2jC 58pnjexb8PyoZrtOJffbtE0byI3bQ3sl7iBmAp3O9Nkvzju9MfkEftzMbUWA0wfBNsms CobcKtwsNy+jLCls1IxddmKcd5zlmfQzmvrqE= Original-Received: by 10.220.127.25 with SMTP id e25mr3265345vcs.89.1273167080359; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.42] (pool-72-95-200-56.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [72.95.200.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z13sm5263117vco.18.2010.05.06.10.31.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 May 2010 10:31:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124600 Archived-At: On May 5, 2010, at 9:04 PM, YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu wrote: >=20 > Scratching the surface of the NS port doesn't make sense to me, > because it contains so many "I wouldn't design/implement so" in its > fundamental part. Point well taken, but that doesn't have to mean it has to be Carbon = again. Carbon, unlike NS, is Apple-only. Most importantly, Cocoa/NS is a = cleaner, more readable, more flexible and future-proof interface. = Accessibility as pointed out by another poster is a further = consideration. I would encourage you to implement your design decisions (concerning = event (or C-g?) handling, and what else you pointed out here a while = ago) within the NS/Cocoa framework and integrate that with the NS port, = so that more people could benefit from it.=