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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::434 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247711 Archived-At: On 24.04.2020 18:48, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > A better tutorial (which showcases advanced features, not just the > "alien" part of Emacs) VS Code's tutorial to compare: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/introvideos/basics (Yes, most of it is in a video; ours doesn't have to be but it's a decent approach; and we could do both a video and a text version).