From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Thomas Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gcc.fortran,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs and GFortran Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 23:20:32 +0100 Message-ID: <454A6F30.2000904@wanadoo.fr> References: <20061030211304.GB7761@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20061031151022.GA13987@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1162506108 16777 80.91.229.2 (2 Nov 2006 22:21:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Steve Kargl , Angelo.Graziosi@roma1.infn.it, fortran@gcc.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: fortran-return-15421-gcgf-fortran=m.gmane.org@gcc.gnu.org Thu Nov 02 23:21:44 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcgf-fortran@gmane.org Original-Received: from sourceware.org ([209.132.176.174]) by ciao.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfkvV-0003hG-9H for gcgf-fortran@gmane.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 23:20:46 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 10325 invoked by alias); 2 Nov 2006 22:20:43 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 10316 invoked by uid 22791); 2 Nov 2006 22:20:42 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Original-Received: from smtp10.orange.fr (HELO smtp-msa-out10.orange.fr) (193.252.22.21) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:20:38 +0000 Original-Received: from [10.0.0.3] (ANice-106-1-5-153.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr [80.11.197.153]) by mwinf1004.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3A9082400149; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 23:20:35 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20061102222035240.3A9082400149@mwinf1004.orange.fr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: Mailing-List: contact fortran-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Original-Sender: fortran-owner@gcc.gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.gcc.fortran:15390 gmane.emacs.devel:61642 Archived-At: Eli et alia, > >> Is "NO" some difficult concept for you to understand? >> > > Ah, the winning argument.. I just spent the last 15 minutes going through this thread, trying to understand where all this came from. I have to confess that I am none the wiser. As Thomas and Francois-Xavier have pointed out, we have a procedure for submitting problems and then for considering/applying the fixes. There is now a PR for this problem and now somebody has to sit down and do the work of developing a patch that not only fixes the problem but also regtests, either with the testsuite as is or by modifying it to suit. All the gfortran maintainers are part-time volunteers and are fortran users. Our interests and priorities tend to reflect our fortran usage. That said, we have put a lot of energy into making the compiler produce correct code and to approach the performance of the best commercial compilers. In addition to supporting our own interests, we try very hard to do a public service role by fixing bugs submitted through Bugzilla, as quickly as possible. Many reporters have expressed satisfaction with our efforts. The format of error messages happens to be something that has not risen to the top of the pile. Hostility, such as it is, has been triggered by the hectoring attitude of those who have crept out of the woodwork to add their halfpenny worth to this thread; none of whom have contributed to gfortran, as far as I know. I rather think that the steering committee would support the gfortran maintainers, were it to come to that. Please do the work, rather than rather rudely insisting that others do it - submit a patch and I promise that I for one will take a look at it. In the meantime, I am going to try to put the interface meta-bug to bed :-) Let's cool it now please; there's too much to do spend any more time on this correspondence. Paul