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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260213 Archived-At: On 2020-12-03 19:43, Jean Louis wrote: > You said people are welcome who are potential users of GNU Emacs. I > hope that also people will be welcome who are potentially interested > users in the discussion that is going on even if they are not involved > directly in some of those disciplines. There is anyway no method of > verification who is involved in some of those disciplines. There is no barrier to entry. If you visit plato.stanford.edu or write a haiku and now you are involved in the Humanities as far as I see. > I cannot see than how is the mailing list related to Emacs. Then maybe > you just wish to call it "humanities"? > > When there is even setting with init file involved it is already so > that user is participating in the programming and that shall be > encouraged. The prevalent assumption that Emacs = programming is something this list attempts to step away from. Emacs can be used without any programming knowledge. I used it through my Bachelor's degree without writing a line of Elisp. > Then to tell such users to go to other mailing list is rather counter > productive, as let us say student of the law suddenly wish to write a > report in Org mode, should we then just bounce users from one to other > mailing lists, that does not seem useful. Eli was concerned about too much similarity with help-gnu-emacs. It is not my desire to bounce anyone. > I hope it will not be moderated to exclude people for expressing their > opinions as the description above tells me it leads there. Maybe in > the next revision it will look so much better. I don't understand what you mean here. The description is an open as I could imagine. You are welcome and encouraged to provide another draft of the description if you want any revisions.