From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are and not called and ? Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:57:27 +0200 Message-ID: <44F8ACC7.60906@student.lu.se> References: <44F706DF.2010201@student.lu.se> <44F717D6.2010604@gnu.org> <44F730BD.9000403@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1157147874 13217 80.91.229.2 (1 Sep 2006 21:57:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, jasonr@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 01 23:57:53 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJH1M-000595-NE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:57:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJH1M-0007sh-D2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:57:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJH1A-0007rn-RH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:57:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GJH19-0007r7-Bo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:57:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GJH18-0007qj-TK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:57:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.11.159] (helo=pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GJHB1-0005Tw-L2; Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:07:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44F6EBEE00068CC2; Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:57:29 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:59236 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:55:57 +0200 >> From: Lennart Borgman >> Cc: Stefan Monnier , >> Emacs Devel >> >> >>> But I wouldn't suggest changing this until after the release, as it >>> probably affects lots of documentation, even if we keep the old names >>> as aliases for backwards compatibility. >>> >> I suggest changing them at once. >> > > Please don't suggest such things at this time. We've already had too > many temptations to make unnecessary changes, and will no doubt have > more. It's already September out there, and we wanted to start a > pretest this month. > May I then suggest a little smaller change for this instead? Could we have a human readable table with translations from internal key names like , to standard keyboard names? Just those names that differ should go into the table of course. BTW, it feels ridiculous, but I have never been able to learn where is on my keyboard. Since I use CUA mode and Viper I have no problems really with that, but it feels strange not to know it. Maybe I asked once before, I am not sure.