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From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se>
Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Why are <next> and <prior> not called <page down> and <page up>?
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 00:19:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44F7607B.6040902@student.lu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EIENLHALHGIMHGDOLMIMOEPKCKAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>

Drew Adams wrote:
>     >     > <prior> and <next> are standard names, which means that users
>     >     > can find things out about them (e.g. Google).
>     >
>     >     Are you seriously saying that it is more simple to find
>     >     something about
>     >     the usage of these keys if you use "next" than "page down"?
>     >
>     > Well, I don't know whether it is easier to search for one or
>     > the other. The point is that one is a standard name, so _if_
>     > you can find doc on it then you have found doc about many things
>     > (e.g. apps) involving that key.
>
>     Can you please explain what standard you refer to?
>
> Didn't Stefan mention X11?
>   
Thanks, but then we are talking about different levels. You refer to a 
technical level. I am more interested in what the user sees, the 
physical keyboard. I think it is easier to understand and remember for 
users if we refer to the physical keyboard. This is also very standard 
today.

>     Are they not mostly called "left arrow" etc? Talking about them
>     together as just "up, down, left, right" makes it rather easy to
>     understand I guess. At least that was the case for me.
>
> And yet you had trouble getting from Page Down to Next?
>   
Yes, absolutely.

> To be clear, we need to give them unique names. And since they already have
> unique names, from the standard, why not use those? And, then, why use those
> standard names in some cases but not in others?
>   
Of course we should use good standard technical names internally. I 
guess X11 is good for this since Stefan mentioned it. But for 
communication with the users refering to the physical keyboard is in my 
opinion better.

Having different names is a bit complex of course, but I do not believe 
it can be more simple than that (and you have given good reasons for that).

> It's the signal sent by the physical key that's important, no? How can you
> even tell if your keyboard has an `prior' key - do you just look for a Page
> Up label? That might not be sufficient, depending on what that key is mapped
> to.
>   
No problem on a standard pc I guess.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-31 22:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-31 15:57 Why are <next> and <prior> not called <page down> and <page up>? Lennart Borgman
2006-08-31 16:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-08-31 17:09   ` Jason Rumney
2006-08-31 18:55     ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-31 20:34       ` Drew Adams
2006-08-31 20:45         ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-31 21:10           ` Drew Adams
2006-08-31 21:31             ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-31 22:00               ` Drew Adams
2006-08-31 22:19                 ` Lennart Borgman [this message]
2006-09-01  2:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-09-01  5:08                     ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-01  6:29                       ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-01 17:00                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-09-01  0:47         ` David Abrahams
2006-09-01  9:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-09-01 21:57         ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-01 22:31           ` Drew Adams
2006-09-02  7:05             ` David Kastrup
2006-09-02  7:53               ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-02 13:46                 ` Drew Adams
2006-09-03 14:53                   ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-03 15:49                     ` Drew Adams
2006-09-02 21:49           ` Jason Rumney
2006-09-03 14:52             ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-05 20:06               ` Kevin Rodgers

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