From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are and not called and ? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:31:16 +0200 Message-ID: <44F75524.60907@student.lu.se> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1157059917 883 80.91.229.2 (31 Aug 2006 21:31:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 31 23:31:55 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIu8U-00013M-Fx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:31:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIu8T-00055T-N2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:31:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GIu8F-000552-V5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:31:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GIu8B-00054e-QK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:31:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIu8B-00054b-LO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:31:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.83] (helo=pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIuHs-0002l5-0a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:41:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44F471DC000C040B; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:31:17 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) Original-To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:59180 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > > and are standard names, which means that users > > can find things out about them (e.g. Google). > > Are you seriously saying that it is more simple to find something about > the usage of these keys if you use "next" than "page down"? > > Well, I don't know whether it is easier to search for one or the other. The > point is that one is a standard name, so _if_ you can find doc on it then > you have found doc about many things (e.g. apps) involving that key. > Can you please explain what standard you refer to? > And? Most users don't know that the `left' key is the left-arrow either. > Should we call it `<-'? > Are they not mostly called "left arrow" etc? Talking about them together as just "up, down, left, right" makes it rather easy to understand I guess. At least that was the case for me. > With your argument, we would not distinguish numeric keypad keys from the > identically labeled keys on the main keyboard pad. The keyboard labels only > get you so far; they don't get you to any technical info on the key > definitions (standard), and they aren't even sufficient to uniquely identify > keys. > Good point, but maybe stretched to far. Of course we should be clear enough. > And what about all the variants of the TAB key (ISO this and that, vs > C-i, etc.)? In terms of key labels, they might all be labeled "Tab", but > Emacs users must sometimes distinguish them. > Are you not mixing different levels here? Can't we be clear enough by just talking about the physical keyboard?