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From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se>
Cc: "Kim F. Storm" <storm@cua.dk>,
	"Richard M. Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: cua-mode and the tutorial
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:13:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44F483D0.4050702@student.lu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EIENLHALHGIMHGDOLMIMCEOMCKAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>

Drew Adams wrote:
> I haven't been following this closely, so, please, no flames if I'm off the
> mark or if this has already been suggested.
>
> Would this be a good approach?
>
> 1. Mention in the Emacs tutorial that it applies to the standard (default)
> key bindings.
>
> 2. Perhaps detect non-standard bindings, and draw attention to #1 with an
> explicit message.
>
> 3. Perhaps point out again, in specific sections, that the bindings used
> there are the standard ones. Perhaps mention the corresponding commands by
> name, so users can nevertheless try them (if appropriate).
>   
Thanks for the suggestions. I think however that these are already 
covered in the suggestions made earlier.

> 4. Provide a separate tutorial for CUA, which complements the Emacs tutorial
> and covers the parts of the Emacs tutorial that don't make sense for CUA.
>   
Unless the region is active there is only a few keys (C-v and M-v) that 
are really different when CUA mode is used. When the region is visible 
C-x and C-c also works differently. S-C-x and S-C-c can be used instead 
and this should be explained.

Those differences are small so there is no need for a separate tutorial. 
Instead it should be enough to point them out in the beginning of the 
tutorial and mark those keys in the tutorial text. At least I think we 
have come close to an agreement upon this in the discussion.


You are welcome to try the tutorial.el that I have sent earlier. However 
at least two things should be changed there:

1) The yellow part at the top that is shown when some of the standard 
keys mentioned in the tutorial have been changed should be smaller. To 
show the more detailed picture a "Details" link should be implemented as 
suggested by Kim.

2) Those keys changed changed should be marked or replaced in the 
tutorial text. Probably marking is best.

I will work on this and some more smaller changes.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-29 18:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <44C8F069.1070002@student.lu.se>
2006-08-22 13:12 ` cua-mode and the tutorial Kim F. Storm
2006-08-22 13:26   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-22 14:30     ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-22 15:02       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-22 15:57         ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-22 18:17       ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-23  4:06     ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-23  4:37       ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-24  5:20         ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-23  7:21       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-24  5:20         ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-24  7:30           ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-25 20:25             ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-25 22:12               ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-26 12:22                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-26 12:44                   ` David Kastrup
2006-08-27 14:34                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-26 14:19                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-08-26 15:07                     ` Drew Adams
2006-08-26 21:15                     ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-27 14:34                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-27 15:06                         ` David Kastrup
2006-08-28 22:09                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-27 21:30                         ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-26 21:14                   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-28  9:52                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-28 10:07                       ` David Kastrup
2006-08-28 11:21                         ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-29 17:18                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-27  8:35             ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-28  9:52               ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-28 10:17                 ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-08-29 17:18                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-29 17:55                     ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 18:13                       ` Lennart Borgman [this message]
2006-08-28 22:32                 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-29 17:18                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-08-31 15:10                     ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-21 14:24                       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-22 14:05   ` Lennart Borgman

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