From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:28:47 +0200 Message-ID: <44BAA17F.4060202@student.lu.se> References: <87r70l2xza.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <44BA9257.9060602@student.lu.se> <87lkqt2tq0.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153081750 17381 80.91.229.2 (16 Jul 2006 20:29:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 16 22:29:08 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2DEe-0003DQ-39 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:29:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2DEd-00089y-Ku for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:29:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2DEQ-00086z-TP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:28:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2DEQ-00085b-9W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:28:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2DEQ-00085F-2I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:28:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.11.98] (helo=pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2DGv-0007vy-Mi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:31:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44A1364D003E7626; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:28:48 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) Original-To: belanger@truman.edu In-Reply-To: <87lkqt2tq0.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57121 Archived-At: Jay Belanger wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > > >> Jay Belanger wrote: >> >>>> Save the teaching of why it's better to learn to use the keyboard >>>> for later. >>>> >>>> >>> When it will be too late for many. If indeed it is better to use the >>> keyboard (and I think it is), it seems a bad idea to begin by teaching >>> bad habits, however easy these habits may be. >>> >>> >> I too think that the keyboard is better, but in my mind is right now a >> song with an awful text: >> >> "If you want to teach them they can't learn then make sure they have to >> learn a lot of details at once." >> >> I am sure someone has some better text for this! ;-) >> > > Is that an actual song? I like it. What is the name of it? I'm sure > most people agree with the sentiment, too. > Unfortunately it is not a real song ;-) > But what little at a time is being taught, should be taught correctly. > If the consensus is that using the mouse is the right way, fine; but I > disagree with the idea of letting bad habits form and overcoming them > later. > Yes, but the thing is that if they can use their old habits for a while they can learn much, much faster.