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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307011 Archived-At: On Sun, 2023-06-18 at 22:11 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" > > Cc: ams@gnu.org, hi-angel@yandex.ru, luangruo@yahoo.com, philipk@posteo= .net, > > =C2=A0emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 20:52:43 +0200 > >=20 > > > > In the discussion it became clear (at least to me) that the way to > > > > contribute is not the main complication, but the discoverability of= that > > > > way and that the way seems hard when you see more than a sheet of p= aper > > > > in print as instructions. > > >=20 > > > You are inventing a problem where there is none. > >=20 > > You said that the w32 port didn=E2=80=99t get many additional devs. I= =E2=80=99m trying > > to find reasons =E2=80=94 and on the website I see obvious reasons that= keep > > people from contributing. And the more I look into it, the more I see > > how broken the new-dev-wants-to-contribute usecase of the website is. >=20 > I understand and appreciate what you are trying to do, but those > aren't the reasons for lack of active contributors to Emacs. I think it cumulative of many factors, and fixing every small factor that c= omes into play increases probability of getting a new contributor.