From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: bignum branch
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:32:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <447774de-c305-5478-1438-7794344456d4@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o9f45ot8.fsf@Rainer.invalid>
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On 07/18/2018 12:25 PM, Achim Gratz wrote:
> the established FP math says these
> two values should not compare equal anyway.
Sure, and = still does that. = is about numeric comparison; eql is about value
comparison. Neither dominates the other: for example, they disagree about 0.0 vs
-0.0 (= says they're equal, but eql says they're distinguishable values and so
are not equal), and conversely they disagree about 0.0e+NaN versus 0.0e+NaN (=
says they're not equal, whereas eql says they're indistinguishable values are so
are equal).
> If you stray from that
> convention there should be a really good reason for that and it needs to
> be prominently documented.
There is good reason: eq, eql, and equal are about distinguishing objects (vital
for hash tables, e.g.) whereas = is about numeric comparison. These are
different things, and the numeric-comparison rule for NaNs is inconsistent with
how hash tables should work. I gave a shot at documenting this by installing the
attached patch.
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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:29:28 -0700
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* doc/lispref/numbers.texi (Float Basics, Comparison of Numbers):
Improve documentation of ‘=’ vs ‘eq’, ‘eql’ and ‘equal’
when NaNs and signed zeros are involved.
---
doc/lispref/numbers.texi | 31 +++++++++++++++++++++----------
1 file changed, 21 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
diff --git a/doc/lispref/numbers.texi b/doc/lispref/numbers.texi
index 6c51b84..70bb103 100644
--- a/doc/lispref/numbers.texi
+++ b/doc/lispref/numbers.texi
@@ -223,7 +223,7 @@ Float Basics
@samp{1500.} is an integer, not a floating-point number.
Emacs Lisp treats @code{-0.0} as numerically equal to ordinary zero
-with respect to @code{equal} and @code{=}. This follows the
+with respect to numeric comparisons like @code{=}. This follows the
@acronym{IEEE} floating-point standard, which says @code{-0.0} and
@code{0.0} are numerically equal even though other operations can
distinguish them.
@@ -232,19 +232,26 @@ Float Basics
@cindex negative infinity
@cindex infinity
@cindex NaN
-@findex eql
-@findex sxhash-eql
The @acronym{IEEE} floating-point standard supports positive
infinity and negative infinity as floating-point values. It also
provides for a class of values called NaN, or ``not a number'';
numerical functions return such values in cases where there is no
correct answer. For example, @code{(/ 0.0 0.0)} returns a NaN@.
A NaN is never numerically equal to any value, not even to itself.
-NaNs carry a sign and a significand, and non-numeric functions like
-@code{eql} and @code{sxhash-eql} treat two NaNs as equal when their
+NaNs carry a sign and a significand, and non-numeric functions treat
+two NaNs as equal when their
signs and significands agree. Significands of NaNs are
machine-dependent and are not directly visible to Emacs Lisp.
+ When NaNs and signed zeros are involved, non-numeric functions like
+@code{eql}, @code{equal}, @code{sxhash-eql}, @code{sxhash-equal} and
+@code{gethash} determine whether values are indistinguishable, not
+whether they are numerically equal. For example, when @var{x} and
+@var{y} are the same NaN, @code{(equal x y)} returns @code{t} whereas
+@code{(= x y)} uses numeric comparison and returns @code{nil};
+conversely, @code{(equal 0.0 -0.0)} returns @code{nil} whereas
+@code{(= 0.0 -0.0)} returns @code{t}.
+
Here are read syntaxes for these special floating-point values:
@table @asis
@@ -359,11 +366,15 @@ Comparison of Numbers
@cindex comparing numbers
To test numbers for numerical equality, you should normally use
-@code{=}, not @code{eq}. There can be many distinct floating-point
-objects with the same numeric value. If you use @code{eq} to
-compare them, then you test whether two values are the same
-@emph{object}. By contrast, @code{=} compares only the numeric values
-of the objects.
+@code{=} instead of non-numeric comparison predicates like @code{eq},
+@code{eql} and @code{equal}. Distinct floating-point objects can be
+numerically equal. If you use @code{eq} to compare them, you test
+whether they are the same @emph{object}; if you use @code{eql} or
+@code{equal}, you test whether their values are
+@emph{indistinguishable}. In contrast, @code{=} uses numeric
+comparison, and sometimes returns @code{t} when a non-numeric
+comparison would return @code{nil} and vice versa. @xref{Float
+Basics}.
In Emacs Lisp, each integer is a unique Lisp object.
Therefore, @code{eq} is equivalent to @code{=} where integers are
--
2.7.4
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