From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Semi-unhelpful error message given when trying to (provide 'CUA-mode) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:23:10 +0200 Message-ID: <44746C4E.8020407@swipnet.se> References: <85fyj4bl8p.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20060520.211854.71848142.wl@gnu.org> <85lkswa29b.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <44701B91.60606@swipnet.se> <44715093.4020906@swipnet.se> <4472AB5F.9090305@swipnet.se> <447440A5.8080704@swipnet.se> <4474513C.2090802@student.lu.se> <85odxn4m07.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148480686 18286 80.91.229.2 (24 May 2006 14:24:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lennart Borgman , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 24 16:24:40 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiuHS-0000ja-Lc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 16:24:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiuHR-0003hs-Tw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 10:24:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FiuHH-0003hU-5e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 10:23:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FiuHG-0003h6-3o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 10:23:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiuHG-0003h3-16 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 10:23:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.182] (helo=av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiuLh-0005PV-UB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 May 2006 10:28:34 -0400 Original-Received: by av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id A2B8438315; Wed, 24 May 2006 16:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av10-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A37D382C4; Wed, 24 May 2006 16:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from coolsville.localdomain (81-235-205-204-no59.tbcn.telia.com [81.235.205.204]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6011237E4A; Wed, 24 May 2006 16:23:56 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: <85odxn4m07.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55196 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > > =20 >> Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: >> =20 >>> Toolkits in general doesn't choose accelerators, the programmers of >>> the applications that uses the toolkit does. However, many menu >>> entries are similar in a lot of applications >>> (Open/Save/Copy/Paste/...) so we can choose those to be similar. >>> =20 >> For the record: This holds for w32 menus too. >> =20 > > I have to say that this thread leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. > Two reasons: > > a) new feature, not to be checked in. If it is checked in, testing > and ironing out problems and possibly choosing accelerators, even > though they could possibly be provided by code in tmm-menubar and > consolidation with all platforms will cost considerable time and > effort. > > b) it is rather essential functionality. I want to see this soon, at > least in basics. > > We need to get our back free for working stuff like that into Emacs. > Personally, I'd say add the menus on F10 now, think about accelerators > after the release. But I realize that this is dissatisfactorily both > with catering for the feature properly, and with getting our release > out. My view is that F10 is new functionallity and I did not intend to check=20 this in before the release. I think it can wait, it is not that importan= t. Jan D.