From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tooltips and menus Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:29:29 +0200 Message-ID: <4472ABC9.3070003@swipnet.se> References: <874pzjkuap.fsf@mit.edu> <85wtce2ino.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148365829 15246 80.91.229.2 (23 May 2006 06:30:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, cyd@mit.edu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 23 08:30:25 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiQPM-0001nG-3Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:30:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiQPL-0007ft-KX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 02:30:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FiQPB-0007fI-2p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 02:30:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FiQP9-0007e6-EL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 02:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiQP9-0007e2-7D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 02:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.9.181] (helo=av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiQTH-0004sZ-ER; Tue, 23 May 2006 02:34:23 -0400 Original-Received: by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E91F2381E9; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:05:46 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA21138040; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:05:46 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from coolsville.localdomain (81-235-205-204-no59.tbcn.telia.com [81.235.205.204]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E09F37E4A; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:30:03 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060501) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55102 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: David Kastrup >> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:17:31 +0200 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Chong Yidong >> >> Richard Stallman writes: >> >>> Apparently not. This is why most applications, as far as I can tell, >>> avoid using tooltips in menu entries. >>> >>> Should Emacs do that too? >> I am using Emacs with GTK (though I don't think the toolkit makes much >> of a difference) and I find the tooltips on menu entries not >> disruptive (they do a pretty good job at disappearing). I don't use >> the menus very much though, probably like most advanced users. The >> tooltips help keeping the menu entries themselves concise and thus >> recognizable. >> >> I'd vote to keep them. > > Same here. Since they are very uncommon in other applications, I vote for turning them of by default, with an option to turn them on. An alternative would be to have them displayed in the minibuffer by default. Jan D.