From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-h K and C-h F in the Help menu Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 23:19:02 +0200 Message-ID: <446F87C6.4090109@student.lu.se> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148159965 16893 80.91.229.2 (20 May 2006 21:19:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 21:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 20 23:19:22 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FhYr4-0001Hs-CO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 23:19:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FhYr3-00060Y-Px for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:19:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FhYqs-00060E-BU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:19:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FhYqp-0005zV-KR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FhYqp-0005zK-GT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:19:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.83] (helo=pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FhYuQ-0004td-7U; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:22:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.072.1) id 446DCC03000378C1; Sat, 20 May 2006 23:19:03 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:54891 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > "Find Key in Manual" and "Find Command in Manual" are in the "More > Manuals" submenu of the "Help" menu. I think they should either in > "Search Documentation" or in "Describe", because these two submenus > are about Emacs, while "More Manuals" is about manuals of other > packages. > > Does anyone object to moving these two items? > > Sounds ok to me. I recently got some comments about the help menu in CVS Emacs from a long term Emacs user and fan (+15 y usage). One of the comments were that there are too many things in the help menu. I wonder if it could help if it was restructured a bit more again? Some suggestions for quick fixes: - Just one tutorial entry with two subentries: Tutorial Tutorial in English Tutorial in other languages - Just one bug entry with two subentries: Emacs Problems and Bugs Emacs Known Problems Send Bug Report - Just one about entry: About Emacs Welcome Screen Copying Conditions (Non)Warranty Getting New Versions - Move "Find Emacs Packages" to under "Search Documentation" Another complaint was that the manual is not easily available in HTML which is the "standard" today. Could perhaps the Emacs Info node start with a link to a description of how to get the manual in HTML format?