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From: "Davis Herring" <herring@lanl.gov>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 'Tim Cross' <theophilusx@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	'Philipp Haselwarter' <philipp.haselwarter@gmx.de>
Subject: RE: Eliminating a couple of independent face definitions
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 07:34:39 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44495.130.55.118.19.1297179279.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5D5B90DE294D40CCAD7F3B1208A112E7@us.oracle.com>

>> Having D copy from B is equivalent to having them both
>> inherit from a new face A with B's previous definition.
>
> It is certainly not equivalent.
> Just customize A to see the difference.

But A didn't exist before, so that's a new feature, not a difference per
se.  If we wanted, we could prevent the user from even knowing about A
(have `customize-face' not support it), and they would be equivalent.  So
surely this is better...?

>> With the inheritance, the user does have the option
>> to change both of them at once if desired.
>
> Precisely why they are not equivalent.  Read the thread, if you have not
> already, for why inheritance is not the be-all and end-all.

I'm quite surprised that you didn't leap at this idea.  Since when is
offering the user a choice a bad thing?  If they don't want to customize
A, they won't, and they'll then have exactly the same set of options that
the copying idea would give them.

Now, I must say that I've realized an imperfection in my idea: if Emacs
defines D but not B (and thus no one bothers to make A), an external
package that defines B must either inherit from D or copy-paste its
definition.  But faces in Emacs that seem worthy of inheritance by anyone
may be mechanically transformed into D-A pairs to avoid the problem.

>> And we already have inheritance.
>
> Hammer...nail.

David J. Wheeler might disagree.  (And you were talking about how it might
be non-trivial to implement the copying idea.)

Davis

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-08 15:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-02  4:05 Eliminating a couple of independent face definitions Chong Yidong
2011-02-02  4:11 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-02-02  5:02   ` Tim Cross
2011-02-02 15:15     ` Drew Adams
2011-02-02 17:17     ` Chong Yidong
2011-02-02 20:33       ` Philipp Haselwarter
2011-02-02 23:01         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-02-03 19:10         ` Drew Adams
2011-02-04  0:12           ` Tim Cross
2011-02-05 22:11             ` Drew Adams
2011-02-07  0:59               ` Drew Adams
2011-02-07  1:30                 ` Tim Cross
2011-02-07 14:09                   ` Drew Adams
2011-02-07 21:14                     ` Tim Cross
2011-02-07 22:12                       ` Drew Adams
2011-02-08  3:51                         ` Tim Cross
2011-02-08 15:26                           ` Drew Adams
2011-02-08 19:10                             ` Philipp Haselwarter
2011-02-08 13:58                 ` Davis Herring
2011-02-08 14:33                   ` Drew Adams
2011-02-08 15:34                     ` Davis Herring [this message]
2011-02-08 16:16                       ` Drew Adams
2011-02-08 17:40                         ` Lennart Borgman
2011-02-08 19:10                         ` Davis Herring
2011-02-07  1:08               ` Tim Cross
2011-02-04  0:18           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-02-04  3:55             ` John Yates
2011-02-04  4:56               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-02-04  4:57             ` Jambunathan K
2011-02-05 22:09             ` Drew Adams
2011-02-06  7:11               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-02-04 10:26           ` Julien Danjou
2011-02-04 17:57             ` color-complement for defface (was: Eliminating a couple of independent face definitions) Ted Zlatanov
2011-02-14 18:11               ` color-complement for defface Ted Zlatanov
2011-02-20 17:44                 ` Julien Danjou
2011-03-10 19:09                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-03-10 19:11                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-02-02 21:24       ` Eliminating a couple of independent face definitions Tim Cross
2011-02-03 16:14       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2011-02-02 17:16   ` Chong Yidong
2011-02-02  9:58 ` Štěpán Němec
2011-02-02 17:05   ` Chong Yidong
2011-02-02 10:05 ` Julien Danjou

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