From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: asynchronous process management on WinWP; buffering problem? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:02:46 +0200 Message-ID: <4443BC26.3090700@student.lu.se> References: <10m877fael0h3.1kg7y6ljn4qmb$.dlg@40tude.net> <443fdf5c$1@kcnews01> <877j5r3ogd.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <444110BE.3050009@student.lu.se> <444186B1.9080502@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1145289989 8452 80.91.229.2 (17 Apr 2006 16:06:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Emacs Devel Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 17 18:06:21 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVWEs-0007YB-Gb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:06:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVWEs-0006Wd-35 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:06:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FVWBi-0004Y4-41 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:02:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FVWBe-0004VT-8j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:02:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVWBe-0004VF-2A; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:02:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.164] (helo=pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FVWCK-0002vt-1r; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:03:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.070) id 4430FC020031A993; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:02:47 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) Original-To: Benjamin Riefenstahl In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:34419 gmane.emacs.devel:52962 Archived-At: Benjamin Riefenstahl wrote: > Hi Lennart, > > > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> In my opinion w32 does not look very much POSIX conformant here. Or >> the POSIX specs are just too weak. >> > > POSIX specifies behaviour of Unix-like systems. MS Windows doesn't > care about POSIX and Microsoft never said that it wanted to be > POSIX-compatible. > > Don't confuse this with NT's POSIX subsystem. This is a separate OS > running on top of the same NT kernel in parallel to MS Windows. While > this is nominally a complete POSIX system, it used to be lacking some > stuff that is usually considered essential by Unix hackers, but not > specified or (officially) optional in POSIX. Also Microsoft's support > for this is wavering, e.g. it is not supported on XP. > > > benny > Hi Benny, Thanks for the clarifications. What made me upset before was that MS claims that the _isatty API is POSIX compliant while MS does not give a way for programs (mostly shells I guess) to tell they are tty:s. (I guess my words here are much to inexact, but I hope you understand what I mean). I mean that if they can get away with that then it seems like the specifications of _isatty is too weak.