From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Webapp/Plugin Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:49:01 -0700 Message-ID: <44228733-B2A1-4C55-B3E4-D634A149AFB4@mit.edu> References: <87sjcayo2g.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1343774959 21203 80.91.229.3 (31 Jul 2012 22:49:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 01 00:49:19 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SwLFd-0003kJ-24 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 00:49:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54464 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwLFc-0007vq-GM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:49:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49555) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwLFa-0007re-0v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:49:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwLFZ-0002oO-1X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:49:13 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu ([18.9.25.15]:42649) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SwLFW-0002no-QT; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:49:10 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190f-b7f306d0000008b4-8a-501860e51358 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-4.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 77.D2.02228.5E068105; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id q6VMn9Nf001955; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:49:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.0.119] ([12.198.236.170]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id q6VMn2cM020464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:49:07 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpnleLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IR4hRV1n2aIBFgcLHb1OLxgiesFsennGW0 mLJkK7sDs0fbNDOPXVuvMAUwRXHZpKTmZJalFunbJXBlTPtzhqXgDUdFw60XjA2MU9i7GDk5 JARMJH6dOc4MYYtJXLi3nq2LkYtDSGAfo8TbM59ZIZwNjBLXVzyCyqxkkpi99ikjSAuzgJbE jX8vmUBsXgE9idntc1i6GDk4hAUUJG4ulgIx2QRkgKZqgFRwChhJzLu7jBUkzCKgKnH9tSbE EE2J1zf/MUPY2hLLFr5mhhhoJXHk6xqoE24ySUz4+hEsISLAL/Fw3W9GiKNlJb4fPs82gVFw FpKDZiE5aBaSuQsYmVcxyqbkVunmJmbmFKcm6xYnJ+blpRbpmujlZpbopaaUbmIEh7Ek/w7G bweVDjEKcDAq8fA6WEoECLEmlhVX5h5ilORgUhLlPRABFOJLyk+pzEgszogvKs1JLT7EKMHB rCTCqwaS401JrKxKLcqHSUlzsCiJ815NuekvJJCeWJKanZpakFoEk5Xh4FCS4PUExquQYFFq empFWmZOCUKaiYMTZDgP0PD38SDDiwsSc4sz0yHypxh1Oe4/f3KbUYglLz8vVUqcNyAOqEgA pCijNA9uDiz9vGIUB3pLmDcUpIoHmLrgJr0CWsIEtCTEQQxkSUkiQkqqgbGjasOvy6u02atN JfvC+Hy8Xq8/KOrq5bXqWqV50ctdpo4/Wsqcvifsj9a58NLn3NZ5Jw9Uz76dc89rbUL67rv/ bjwyYW764WF2zMzpaqtnlULJE8YjzT90XlTf+fj9oGrT3nsfdh/dIP7olsya49xN X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 18.9.25.15 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:152054 Archived-At: On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > As for the server, isn't that what Freedombox is for? Freedombox looks (to me) like it's more about open, secure, private = communications infrastructure, rather than Free compute servers. There = is some overlap, and maybe there are plans to expand Freedombox, but as = an example, Freedombox would be aimed more at making sure users aren't = trapped in gmail, yahoo, facebook, and twitter, while Joakim is talking = about making sure users and developers aren't trapped in Google App = Engine or Amazon Web Services. As computing usage moves out of the office and onto mobile devices, = quite a lot of desired computing activity is moving into free-not-Free = and cheap network services that are (currently) opaque and encumbered. = For many of these services, the source code is open, but the service = itself is closed, ala TiVo-ization. Quite often, developers use these = services (Google or Amazon) simply because the Free alternatives either = don't exist or are much more costly (in time and money). I hope that helps, *Chad