From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2020 08:52:45 +0000 Message-ID: <43DB4363-D755-4CED-96C6-D496A5744C11@gnu.support> References: <83eemji6e8.fsf@gnu.org> <20201001141144.GO4797@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201001160136.chwmpollk4d3qc2e@Ergus> <20201004175447.GG15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <87362tvnil.fsf@gmail.com> <20201004194815.GH15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <11EB917D-3276-4D34-8DCD-2336E8062950@mit.edu> <20201005040245.GJ15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201005084441.GB4453@protected.rcdrun.com> <87zh50lhda.fsf@red-bean.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38133"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Fermin , Caio Henrique , Noam Postavsky , Emacs developers , Karl Fogel , Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii To: Qiantan Hong , Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 06 10:54:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kPijb-0009qO-Pg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 10:54:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59632 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPija-0003py-K6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 04:54:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57910) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPiiv-0003P6-Vd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 04:53:29 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:37613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kPiit-0004Hn-Qg; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 04:53:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.127.60.161] ([::ffff:197.157.34.178]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000085DA9.000000005F7C3063.0000670D; Tue, 06 Oct 2020 01:52:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/06 04:52:52 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257159 Archived-At: Don't complicate, use Gobby editor as example, no IRC, XMPP and other netwo= rking dependencies please=2E On October 6, 2020 1:03:57 AM UTC, Qiantan Hong wrote: >> But this has 3 main problems=2E >>=20 >> 1) On one hand such services require some servers (to work like >google >> spreadsheet) and need to be provided somehow=2E=2E=2E something difficu= lt >as I >> don't think gnu or fsf have resources to maintain a service like that >> and provide it=2E >>=20 >> 2) On the other hand it will be better if the service is somehow >> distributed in order to give more privacy-security but also to reduce >> the load of the servers=2E=2E=2E I still can't find any infrastructure = we >can >> use, cause most of the peer-to-peer libraries are for C++, >javascript, >> Node=2Ejs and so on (example: webrtc)=2E Just on yesterday I found >> n2n=2E=2E=2E But I am not a web specialist so it requires a lot of >> experimenting time for me=2E >>=20 >> 3) The other workflow (create a local server for others) is the >> "simplest" approach at the moment=2E But that is a problem for many use >> cases due to dynamic ip addreses, firewalls, opening ports and so on=2E >It >> is fine for a class room or company, but not for working from home=2E > >On this topic, I=E2=80=99m considering supporting sending the traffic ove= r >IRC=2E Seems that it solves all those problem, what do you guys think? > >The process will be that one user create a channel with a random >name, say on freenode=2Enet, then they share the channel name >with other user (maybe via IRC as well!)=2E Others can then join the >channel, and it behaves basically like TCP=2E To avoid spamming >the same authentication protocol for TCP (to be implemented) can >also work on IRC=2E The messages from user without authentication >are simply discarded=2E Jean