From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should not tutorial always use the default global map? Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:30:03 +0100 Message-ID: <439CB67B.8020005@student.lu.se> References: <439B82F8.4090207@student.lu.se> <87wticz1zz.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85pso328gr.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <439CA2B9.6060308@student.lu.se> <858xurutsd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134343918 17065 80.91.229.2 (11 Dec 2005 23:31:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 23:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , belanger@truman.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 12 00:31:48 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Elae7-0001Qr-Uc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:30:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElaeW-0001yJ-Vv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:30:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElaeM-0001y1-9n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:30:38 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElaeL-0001xn-Rq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:30:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElaeL-0001xk-OW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:30:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.164] (helo=pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Elafw-00074K-OV; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:32:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.060.1) id 43960D0D00161351; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:30:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: <858xurutsd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47497 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: >Lennart Borgman writes: > > > >>If we perhaps would just for this time let him/her go away and as an >>example for humankind be more friendly we could for example add this >>two lines at the end of `help-with-tutorial': >> >> (make-local-variable 'emulation-mode-map-alists) >> (setq emulation-mode-map-alists nil) >> >>This would let the tutorial work just as it is supposed to do. We >>could also add a line at the top explaining this. Anyone more than me >>for this peaceful solution? >> >> > >There is no point in a tutorial that behaves differently from the rest >of the editor. People want to learn how to use Emacs, not how to walk >through the tutorial. > The tutorial is a tutorial for using Emacs in its "default mode", not a tutorial for Emacs in other ways. So I think there is a point, but you have to make it clear for the user. An alternative to my above proposal is to mention this in the beginning of the tutorial and put a note in the buffer if Emacs seems to have other keymaps in use.