From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Davis Herring" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: messages override minibuffer input Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <43404.128.165.123.18.1189636324.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> References: <18146.9183.561171.347511@tfkp07.physik.uni-erlangen.de> <38233.128.165.123.18.1189460486.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> Reply-To: herring@lanl.gov NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189636345 31883 80.91.229.12 (12 Sep 2007 22:32:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, roland.winkler@physik.uni-erlangen.de To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 13 00:32:21 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IVakt-0005xl-Bj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:32:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVakt-00015y-4U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:32:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVakp-00012m-PD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:32:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IVako-00011k-VV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:32:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IVako-00011e-SJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:32:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailwasher.lanl.gov ([204.121.3.2]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IVakl-0000My-9O; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:32:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (mailrelay1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.101]) by mailwasher.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.6/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id l8CMW81E010111; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:32:08 -0600 Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (webmail1.lanl.gov [128.165.4.106]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.13.8/8.13.8/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id l8CMW5TN032215; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:32:05 -0600 Original-Received: from webmail1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.lanl.gov (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l8CMW5qo028403; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:32:05 -0600 Original-Received: (from apache@localhost) by webmail1.lanl.gov (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id l8CMW4jS028399; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:32:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: webmail1.lanl.gov: apache set sender to herring@lanl.gov using -f Original-Received: from 128.165.123.18 (SquirrelMail authenticated user 196434) by webmail.lanl.gov with HTTP; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:32:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-6.el3.2lanl X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-CTN-5-MailScanner-Information: Please see http://network.lanl.gov/email/virus-scan.php X-CTN-5-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CTN-5-MailScanner-From: herring@lanl.gov X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78718 Archived-At: > Can you look for places in the sources where it would be right to use > `optional-message'? If you find many, then the function would be a good > feature. Places where `optional-message' might be useful: autorevert.el, in `auto-revert-handler' desktop.el, in `desktop-idle-create-buffers' help-at-pt.el: see approximate reimplementation in `help-at-pt-maybe-display' speedbar.el, in `speedbar-timer-fn' emacs-lisp/eldoc.el, in `eldoc-message', perhaps to replace `eldoc-display-message-no-interference-p' perhaps erc/erc-backend.el, in the PRIVMSG response handler perhaps erc/erc-notify.el, in `erc-notify-timer' gnus/mm-decode.el, in the process sentinels in `mm-display-external' gnus/nntp.el, in `nntp-accept-process-output' progmodes/cperl-mode.el, in `cperl-get-help' progmodes/idlwave.el, in `idlwave-load-rinfo-next-step' progmodes/vhdl-mode.el, in `vhdl-print-warnings' textmodes/reftex-dcr.el: see approximate reimplementation in `reftex-view-crossref-when-idle' emacs-lock.el, in `emacs-lock-clear-sentinel' find-dired.el, in `find-dired-sentinel' man.el, in `Man-notify-when-ready' pcvs.el, in `cvs-sentinel' vc-arch.el, in the lambdas created in `vc-arch-trim-make-sentinel' eshell/esh-proc.el, in `eshell-remove-process-entry' progmodes/sql.el, in `sql-stop' perhaps progmodes/xscheme.el, in `xscheme-process-sentinel' url/url.el: see approximate reimplementation in `url-lazy-message' I just checked lisp/; I do not think very much asynchronous messaging occurs in src/. > You can write Lisp code to do the same things now done at C level. We > could also turn that C code into a subr, if that is useful. True, but how should client code request it? I can't add an optional argument to `optional-message' and have it work like `message' now, of course. Davis -- This product is sold by volume, not by mass. If it appears too dense or too sparse, it is because mass-energy conversion has occurred during shipping.