From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Adrian Robert Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.devel.emacsen,gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.linux.debian.devel.gnustep Subject: Re: emacs.app_9.0pre2-1_i386.changes REJECTED Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:26:27 -0500 Message-ID: <430B9AA5-994E-4367-864E-908A188F122C@cogsci.ucsd.edu> References: <3915b3bd5285d41e97b3c93fba0c3046@gnu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134147118 20052 80.91.229.2 (9 Dec 2005 16:51:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 16:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=FCrkan_Seng=FCn?= , debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, pkg-gnustep-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org Original-X-From: bounce-debian-emacsen=debian-emacsen=m.gmane.org@lists.debian.org Fri Dec 09 17:51:55 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from murphy.debian.org ([146.82.138.6]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EklPW-0006cD-KW for debian-emacsen@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:47:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with QMQP id EC4092E655; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:47:49 -0600 (CST) Old-Return-Path: Original-Received: from smtp-gw1.med.cornell.edu (smtp-gw1.med.cornell.edu [140.251.3.74]) by murphy.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100722E252 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:26:31 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mpx1.med.cornell.edu (biglb-vlan511vip.med.cornell.edu [140.251.11.120]) by smtp-gw1.med.cornell.edu (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jB9GQSJl026701 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:26:34 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from [140.251.33.115] by mpx1.med.cornell.edu (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.11 (built Jan 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IR800670OC4OA30@mpx1.med.cornell.edu> for debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:26:28 -0500 (EST) In-reply-to: Original-To: "Kim F. Storm" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-PMX-Version: 4.7.1.128075, Antispam-Engine: 2.1.0.0, Antispam-Data: 2005.12.9.15 X-Rc-Spam: 2005-09-11_01 X-Rc-Virus: 2005-11-10_01 X-Rc-Spam: 2005-09-11_01 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on murphy.debian.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=3.0.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2352 X-Loop: debian-emacsen@lists.debian.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Precedence: list Resent-Sender: debian-emacsen-request@lists.debian.org Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:47:49 -0600 (CST) Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.linux.debian.devel.emacsen:1701 gmane.emacs.devel:47310 gmane.linux.debian.devel.gnustep:368 Archived-At: On Dec 9, 2005, at 10:05 AM, Kim F. Storm wrote: > G=FCrkan Seng=FCn writes: > >> For the curious and history: >> 1992 18.x http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/emacs.png >> 2005 23.x http://gnu.ethz.ch/emacs.app.png > > So your team will "release" emacs 23.x in 2005, while we didn't > even manage to release 22.x this year ... Hi, I'm probably to blame here -- I've been using the term "emacs-23" in =20 some places as a shorter, snappier alternative to "GNU emacs CVS, =20 unicode-2 branch", to indicate exactly what version of GNU Emacs =20 Emacs.app is based on. I didn't intend for it to be misleading, or =20 suggest that emacs-23 is in any way due for release soon, or that =20 emacs-23 definitely WILL be based on the unicode-2 branch. Maybe, to =20= avoid confusion, it's best to just drop use of the term "emacs 23" =20 completely for now? I assume though that a Debian package for Emacs.app or any other =20 unicode-2 based version won't constitute "release" of GNU Emacs any =20 more than the existing package based on emacs CVS HEAD constitutes a =20 22.x release. BTW, in response to G=FCrkan's original email, I wanted to point out =20 that Emacs.app is still a work-in-progress -- independently of the =20 state of CVS/Unicode-2 (which seems pretty good), there is much to be =20= done with keyboard input, toolbars, etc., all outlined here: http://=20 emacs-app.sourceforge.net/KNOWN-ISSUES.txt and here: http://emacs-=20 app.sourceforge.net/TODO.txt . Nonetheless, Emacs.app is perfectly =20 serviceable as a daily editor under GNUstep and OS X right now, if =20 you don't need those functions. It is, however, hard to build under =20 GNUstep, which is part of the reason for working on a Debian package. thanks, Adrian