From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sorting of directories in dired Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:06:49 +0200 Message-ID: <42CDA779.30808@student.lu.se> References: <4825c0f482397d.482397d4825c0f@net.lu.se> <42CD881D.6080905@student.lu.se> <42CD9412.5040807@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120774349 23797 80.91.229.2 (7 Jul 2005 22:12:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hober0@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 08 00:12:27 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dqeb7-0004lq-JB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 00:11:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqecV-0006CO-Dh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:13:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeZj-0004yt-8h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:10:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeZh-0004y4-HI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:10:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqeZh-0004xp-Bm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:10:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.164] (helo=pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dqecl-0004O6-J5; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:13:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.205.6) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.060.1) id 42B94E29002D1881; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:06:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40603 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40603 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>I never use ls outside some sh like shell. >> >> > >Why not? > > I can see faster on the output from cmd:s dir what is a directory for example. >>I think that the necessary integration >>with different platforms must not be hampered by the consistent >>cross-platform behaviour. I am much in favor of both these things. >> >> > >They contradict. One must choose one or the other; we cannot have >both. > > We must be more concrete to be able to decide that. Sometimes they contradict, sometimes not. I believe we should strive for both. cua-mode is a good example on this. viper-mode another (I happily use both). emacsserver/client (or gnuserv/client) are other examples. >>Since Emacs started its route much have changed. The users on different >>platforms now tend to request that applications adhere to what they are >>used to. >> >> > >FWIW, I don't see any significant change in users' attitudes. > > Would not you think that most users on w32 expect C-x to be cut? Would you not expect the keyboard addicts (like me) to use the Alt-key to acces the menus?