From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sorting of directories in dired Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 22:44:02 +0200 Message-ID: <42CD9412.5040807@student.lu.se> References: <4825c0f482397d.482397d4825c0f@net.lu.se> <42CD881D.6080905@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120770351 14317 80.91.229.2 (7 Jul 2005 21:05:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hober0@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 07 23:05:49 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqdYr-00047k-3A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:05:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqdaE-0005dp-ML for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:06:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqdYA-0004S2-E3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:04:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DqdY6-0004N8-3p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:04:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqdY5-0003uO-Fb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 17:04:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.83] (helo=pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DqdKd-0006Wa-Jw; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:50:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.205.6) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.060.1) id 42BFBBD200204A2E; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:44:05 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40591 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40591 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >??? What does the shell have to do with using `ls'? You can invoke >`ls' from _any_ shell running on Windows, including from cmd.exe. > > I never use ls outside some sh like shell. >I think you are misreading the principle of consistent cross-platform >behavior as ``resistance'' or ``a strategy not to help'' w32 users. > > Yes, sometimes. On the other hand I think that the necessary integration with different platforms must not be hampered by the consistent cross-platform behaviour. I am much in favor of both these things. Since Emacs started its route much have changed. The users on different platforms now tend to request that applications adhere to what they are used to. After that it is fine to add new features and behaviour. So integration and cross-platform behaviour need not collide, but integration must not be overseen. On w32 users are used to that applications can be run out of the box and that they behave in a well known manner. That is one of the strengths of w32. It is both on surface level and on deeper levels.