From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AltGr finger twisters documented? - bug in keyboard handling? Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:37:20 +0200 Message-ID: <42CA8D10.1090702@student.lu.se> References: <47811c547866f3.47866f347811c5@net.lu.se> <42CA7AAD.1040200@gnu.org> <42CA8119.3060804@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1120570700 12308 80.91.229.2 (5 Jul 2005 13:38:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 13:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel , Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 05 15:38:18 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dpncu-0005bq-UW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 15:38:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DpneA-0004nX-V3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:39:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DpndW-0004RA-DW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:38:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DpndV-0004Q5-3N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:38:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DpndU-0004Px-Rh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:38:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.164] (helo=pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DpniA-0003mm-1e; Tue, 05 Jul 2005 09:43:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.205.6) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.060.1) id 42B94E290025819C; Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:37:24 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: Juanma Barranquero In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:40421 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:40421 Juanma Barranquero wrote: >>Yes, it surely changes things. I can for example not type \ at all if I >>set this to nil. So setting this to nil gives me a completely new >>keyboard layout which I do not think is useful at all. >> >> > >Exactly. With `w32-recognize-altgr' set to nil there's no way I can >type C-\, because there's no way I can type \ directly. > I am starting to think I see some bugs here. One, rathter trivial bug, concerns the documentation. It says w32-recognize-altgr's value is t Recognize right-alt and left-ctrl as AltGr. When nil, the right-alt and left-ctrl key combination is interpreted normally. Defined in `C source code'. I can not see that left-ctrl works as AltGr. That is good, I would not want it to, but the doc string should be changed I believe. The other, more serious thing, is that different keyboards seems to behave differently. They are not supposed to do that I guess. Or am I wrong for some reason? Another serious problem, probably related to this, is that some key combinations, like C-@ are very hard or even impossible to type. Maybe all this just relates to w32? Anyway it would be very good if it was fixed before release!