From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Recent enabling of xassert Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:18:33 +0000 Message-ID: <420B34F9.7060109@gnu.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1108033324 25423 80.91.229.2 (10 Feb 2005 11:02:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 11:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 10 12:02:04 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CzC51-00032m-L3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:01:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CzCJj-0008Oa-FH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 06:17:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CzBe1-0005dU-CR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:33:58 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CzBdu-0005cR-Bj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:33:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CzBdq-0005bO-Ow for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:33:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [217.207.198.106] (helo=exchange.integrasp.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CzBOv-0007za-PM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:18:21 -0500 Original-Received: from ASSP-nospam (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by exchange.integrasp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id D799QM5R; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:18:10 -0000 Original-Received: from 192.168.111.196 ([192.168.111.196] helo=[192.168.111.196]) by ASSP-nospam ; 10 Feb 05 10:18:09 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: "Kim F. Storm" In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:33188 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:33188 Kim F. Storm wrote: >Miles recently enabled xassert unconditionally to catch undiscovered >bugs in redisplay and other places... > >We have now seen several crashes caused by this change -- but none of >them has been fully diagnosed yet, as this is very hard without having >easy ways to reproduce the crashes. > >Debugging those crashes requires time which I don't have -- so unless >someone else steps in to help, I suggest we disable xassert again. > > I disagree. xassert should only be disabled for releases. We want to find the bugs now, even if it takes time to fix them. CVS should not be considered a stable release.