From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Unify fn and var help to make learning elisp a little easier Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 10:30:34 -0800 Message-ID: <41CC575D-91E9-4967-8CC9-F622631F4F05@mit.edu> References: <1354903977.95634.YahooMailClassic@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1354905071 6777 80.91.229.3 (7 Dec 2012 18:31:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org devel" To: Kelly Dean Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 07 19:31:24 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Th2hk-0007DQ-RC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 19:31:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49715 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Th2hY-0000ON-Lp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:31:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58237) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Th2hT-0000Hs-CQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:31:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Th2hP-0005Gw-5b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:31:03 -0500 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-8.mit.edu ([18.7.68.37]:63203) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Th2hO-0005Gs-Vm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:30:59 -0500 X-AuditID: 12074425-b7f606d0000008ea-51-50c235e1df50 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.43]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-8.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 99.81.02282.1E532C05; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 13:30:57 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-3.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id qB7IUvFO007683; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 13:30:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.37] (c-98-247-148-125.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.148.125]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id qB7IUsh2028775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 7 Dec 2012 13:30:56 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <1354903977.95634.YahooMailClassic@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrCIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixCmqrfvQ9FCAwY5P1haPFzxhtdh3WtmB yaNtmpnHrFmHmQKYorhsUlJzMstSi/TtErgybiw9x1Jwka1i3S2DBsalrF2MnBwSAiYSa043 M0PYYhIX7q1n62Lk4hAS2Mco8WLDZ1YIZz2jRO/MbkYI5wyTRP+8fywgLcwCWhI3/r1kArF5 BfQkDnduBxsrLBAocXb6GSCbg4NNQAZorAZImFPAV+Lis63sIDaLgIrExvVzmEBKmAVMJRb3 qEBMlJfY/nYOM8REK4mzzQ/ZQGwhAR+JNY8XgMVFBNQkLnXPZYM4WlZixdRepgmMgrOQHDQL yUGzkIxdwMi8ilE2JbdKNzcxM6c4NVm3ODkxLy+1SNdCLzezRC81pXQTIyhw2V1UdzBOOKR0 iFGAg1GJh/eGyKEAIdbEsuLK3EOMkhxMSqK81oZAIb6k/JTKjMTijPii0pzU4kOMEhzMSiK8 OzmAcrwpiZVVqUX5MClpDhYlcd4bKTf9hQTSE0tSs1NTC1KLYLIyHBxKErxnTIAaBYtS01Mr 0jJzShDSTBycIMN5gIavBanhLS5IzC3OTIfIn2JUlBLn3Q6SEABJZJTmwfXCEssrRnGgV4R5 N4NU8QCTElz3K6DBTECDo9j3gwwuSURISTUwspxaw7Ocm+PQQ/dpyXd1rt16xlh+4d8dpfL3 9YU5Robbo2YfEOc7Yi6cbLCq7OqHLMujd6UiZkt7HDX/f+/hMQe1uZnLvj9er6ypKHJ52bqD f42Yvr/43ml532uu5MpW/n35GzScpt3LdhD14/ontWN2MHd/xe5Z0+UOlDbIzM47 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 18.7.68.37 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155339 Archived-At: On 07 Dec 2012, at 10:12, Kelly Dean wrote: >> Actually, there is already a function for that, called >> `help-xref-interned', so all we need is to give it a nicer >> name >> (e.g. describe-symbol), and an `interactive' spec which >> provides completion. > That's what my patch does. FWIW, when faced with a similar issue long ago, I did something like this: ;; add apropos to Help (define-key help-map "A" 'apropos) Actually, I rebind `a' to apropos and bind `A' to apropos-command, but I doubt Emacs wants that change by default. Neither of these gets completion, if that's important to you. At the time, I liked the word list well enough that I didn't miss completion, but that was before things like ido, icomplete, and anything/company/helm/etc were so common. Hope that helps, ~Chad