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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283971 Archived-At: > On Jan 2, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Stefan Kangas = wrote: >=20 > Yuan Fu writes: >=20 >> I don=E2=80=99t have any problem of adding it to core. I=E2=80=99m = just pessimistic >> about how many people are incentivized to push for it and agree on >> things. >=20 > I am incentivized to both push for and agree on things. ;-) >=20 > More seriously, you already had Eli agree that this does belong in = core, > so I think the process should be rather smooth sailing, especially if = we > try to make the first step as uncontroversial as possible. Thanks. I=E2=80=99m happy to work on that. >> Putting it on ELPA doesn=E2=80=99t stop from working it into core, I = think. I >> don=E2=80=99t want to get into another 1000-thread debate about what = is the >> =E2=80=9Cminimal set=E2=80=9D. Many of the stuff in setup-wizard.el = are not easily >> agreed upon, but removing them IMO decreases the usefulness of >> setup-wizard. >=20 > How about putting the uncontroversial part in core, and creating a = more > opinionated/useful add-on to put in GNU ELPA? Then you can do = basically > whatever you think is best in your add-on, while all new users still > benefit from the less opinionated/useful part that we put in core. >=20 > I am also not eager to get into a 1000-thread debate, but here are my > observations on the points you bring up: >=20 >> For example, the =E2=80=9Cwizards=E2=80=99 choice=E2=80=9D binding = scheme, >=20 > Could you expand on what this means? Binding copy, cut and paste to s-c, s-x, s-v, respectively. It might not = always work since some window managers intercept the super modifier = bindings, but otherwise I think they could be useful. I use them myself = from time to time.=20 >=20 >> the option to turn off menu-bar, >=20 > I have no opinion on whether or not this should be part of an initial > setup wizard. >=20 >> the recommendation of ivy and company. >=20 > These sound good to me. Does the wizard also help install the = packages, > and say clearly that this is about to happen? Yes and yes, Po suggested stating clearly that packages are downloaded = automatically from the Internet. I added some words that say that. Yuan